Talk:Tipu Sultan

tipu as a saint

tipu is regarded as a saint (waliallah) as i get information i will add up in the main page...can anyone also help me out or is there any objection.....people of all faith visit his shrine in srirangapatnam... Mujeerkhan 17:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

religious persecution

I have noted that this heading has been sourced within any proper reference and someone is using blog sites as their reference....bcoz anything can be said in blog sites...i will be removing the heading within a week if no reference is given...as indian history has never admitted to any crimes whatsover on tipu sultan....

Mujeerkhan15:20, 11 June 2006 AEST

There are at least some references i can find online (and remember from other sources) about Tipu donating money to renovate temples, giving other temples land and jewellery etc. The Sharada temple in Sringeri for one - which is also the monastery of the Sringeri Shankaracharya. A series of about 30 letters written in Kannada, correspondence between Tipu Sultan and the Sringeri Shankaracharya exist, documenting this (and Tipu even comes up with a sanskrit quote about evildoers committing crimes with a smile, only weeping when they are brought to justice for their crimes (though this was probably from one of his much more erudite and literate courtiers, perhaps his prime minister, Purnaiya). A quite well researched book by Prof. Irfan Habib documents this - http://www.indowindow.com/akhbar/article.php?article=61&category=8&issue=11 .. and this is further corroborated by an article in Tattvaloka, the magazine published by the Sringeri monastery - http://www.tattvaloka.com/publications.htm for more. What is funny is that the temple was apparently ransacked by Maratha soldiers in 1791-92 - unique twist there, hindu soldiery that consciously used several obvious trappings of hinduism including the saffron bhagwa flag, and that is venerated by a hindu right wing party the Shiv Sena, pillaging probably the most eminent hindu monastery in south india.

srs 17:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suresh (member srs ) , thank you very much for providing valuable information.

Mujeerkhan 17:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a cite before making edits like "Even so there is some evidence that his armies destroyed many Hindu temples in the south part of India.". Which temples did his troops demolish and where?

Comments from VS

At the Madhoor Temple in Kasaragod district of Kerala, there is a sword mark on the roof under which it is clearly mentioned that this was the act of tipu sultan.

Please refer wikipedia article on "Mangalorean Konkani" which has mentioned about forced conversion to muslim by Tipu

I could also find a lot of internet sites including published magazine articles which agrees that Tipu has made generous contributions to some temples. And yet Prisoners of war were given choice of either embracing muslim religion or to rot in his jails and most of them accepted the first option.

Though i am from pakistan I have heard stories about Tipu Sultan since as i was a kid. Tipu saw no difference from from his hindu and muslims subjects, he contributed jewels, cash for temples. Once Mahatma gandhi said " Tipu for the great Waqfs (trusts) he instituted for Hindu temples. His palaces stood close to Venkataraman Srinivasa and Sri Ranganath temples. He specially praises the Mysore ruler for the famous saying that ‘one day of a lion’s life is better than 100 years life of a jackal.’ [1] To top it all, Tipu Sultan was also solicitous of the Brahmin clergy of his state and sought their cooperation - even requested for special prayers invoking the blessings of deities. His letters to Jagatguru Swami of Srinagrimat in 1791 are the proofs of his excellent relationship with the Hindu subjects. Some 30 letters of Tipu are preserved in the archaeological department of India to vouchsafe for this claim.

In pakistan, we respect him very much and have named a navy ship called PNS Tipu sultan [http://www.pakistanidefence.com/images/Navy%20Pics/PNSTippuSultan_AmazonClassFrigate_001_PakistaniDefence.com.jpg End of comment], monuments, roads in memory of this great freedom fighter of the sub continent. And yet some people say that he was a 'bad man'. And i have heard that indian history is rewriting on tipu sultan ( if i am right). Remember it was British and politics which divided our countries.

Hassan 19:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tipu Sultan was typical Islamic despotic a bit like Saddam Hussein but much worse. A temple smasher and killer of Hindus, this evil snake was killed by the Britsh for their own reasons.

Tipu was barbaric.

Provide some evidence in this regard but pls do not use blog sites or propoganda sites as evidence. Since I spend my schooling in mysore I have come across several hindu temples which got funds from tipu sultan ex nanjangud temple...and the best example to which i can give to is the temple in his Srirangapatnam fort itself! and also remember that a major part of his army were hindus. People like you will defenetly change Indian history.

Mujeerkhan 15:20, 10 June 2006 AEST

Care to provide documentation?—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 04:37, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Needs work.

Was "Tipu" his given name?—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 04:38, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

title

I have known that guy from history better under name Tippu Sahib. Should he be under that? 217.140.193.123 8 July 2005 16:54 (UTC)

Can the above write please provide evidence for his claims? Tipu Sultan was very much a tolerant and just ruler of his people. Had he been as you state then his own Hindu Subjects wouldn't have fought and died under his cause our of sheer loyalty. There are many baised books which claim what you claim, BUT TILL DATE they contain no actual reliable sources for this explicitly false statement. I would also request that that part also be removed from the article seeing as even Jawarlal Nehru no less looked up to his staunch loyalty to his people and his strong patriotism. He was a ruler of a type we sadly no longer see in todays 'civilised' world.

Raja

Nonsense phrase

To quote from the article: "A rocket carrying about one pound of powder could travel almost 1,000 yards. In contrast, rockets in Europe not being iron cased, could not take large chamber pressures and as a consequence, were not capable of reaching distances anywhere close to a mile." But a mile is 1760 yards, so what is being asserted here? Too Old 05:00, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Weight of the rocket is about 2kg. With about 1kg of propellant. 50mm in dia about 250mm length, the range performance is reported 900mts to 1.5 km. [2] Wisesabre 06:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So the rockets had about 1kg (2.2lb) of powder, not 1 lb. With this charge their range was between 6/10 mile (900 meters) and 9/10 mile (1.5km), probably in excess of 1000 yards (6/10 mile). The contemporary European rockets possibly could match this, since their casings weighed less, so the same amount of powder might have driven them as far. The comparison is indecisive. Does anyone know of an experiment to test the relative ranges of the two rocket types using the same amount of powder? The American National Anthem refers to "the rockets' red glare" during the War of 1812, implying military useage. At any rate the article might be in error. Too Old 02:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The battles against Tipu Sultan inspired Congreve to develop his Congreve rockets for the British Army, and their later use is mentioned in The Star Spangled Banner. The contemporary western versions (contemporary with those used by Tipu Sultan, before Congreve) were not so powerful, as this article says. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mother’s name

Fatima is an old Arabic name (The Prophet’s daughter’s name was Fatima), so that would the mother’s given name.

Fakher-an-Nissa is Arabic and literally means Pride of Women; this would be a sort of title. You can either use her title by its own or call her: Fakher-an-Nissa Fatima bint FATHER_NAME.

I hope this information is useful, because as the article stands now it seems her exact name is not known! --DelftUser 19:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Religious persecution

The bit on persecution is a straight lift from the link Tipu Hero or villain given below- verbatim, am deleting the same as it has copyvio issues. Not even getting into whether site is accurate or not. ( seems to be focused on reviewing books that support the right wing point of view). Haphar 12:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I come across this link which states that ASI found some manuscripts,which record the destruction of temples my Tipu in different places.I think we need to revise this section to include persecution of hindus,christins in kerala,goa and karnataka.[3]AumprakashReddy

Did you actually read the entire article instead of quoting a single line from it out of context? srs 10:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Plz explain what is out of context here AumprakashReddy 04:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]