Talk:Drypool

I was suprised to find no page on Drypool, Hull, UK on Wikipedia, and so decided to have my first go at starting a new topic.
JohnS 5Nov07

Population

I found ~12000 not 25000 http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadKeyFigures.do?a=7&b=6175358&c=Drypool&d=14&e=15&g=389828&i=1001x1003x1004&m=0&r=1&s=1313528908859&enc=1 ? edit difference

Also Hull Prison is outside the area.Imgaril (talk) 21:52, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Although Hull Prison is not in the Drypool Ward for Hull City Council, it is in the current Anglican Parish of Drypool (see [1]). As this article is about "Drypool" in general, in my opinion the reference should be restored Johnsaunderson 20/08/2011

That can go in the section on the ecclisiastical parish. Have you got a link that says the ministry also serves the prison.Imgaril (talk) 17:11, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

East park

Removed:

[[East Park, Hull|East Park]] lies about {{convert|2|mi|km|0}} northeast of the city centre and covers an area of c.120 acres (48 Ha). The Victorian or western half of the Park was opened to the public on 21 June 1887 - the day of Queen Victoria's Golden Jubilee. This part of the Park was designed by Joseph Fox Sharp, the borough engineer, and covered an area of c.52 acres (21 Ha). Sharp's design echoed that of Pearson Park, the intention being that land adjoining the perimeter carriage drive should be developed for housing. This did not happen however. Sharp's carriage drive still survives to this day as do his model yacht pond and central avenue/broad walk. Also extant is a rockwork, known as the Khyber Pass, designed by E.A. Peak. Lost features include a small serpentine lake (infilled in the 1950s) and the main entrance gates opposite Telford Street on Holderness Road (replaced with a brutalist concrete gateway in 1964).<ref name="appraisal-East-04">{{cite web |url=http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/HOME/PLANNING/CONSERVATION/CONSERVATION%20AREAS/HOLDERNESS%20ROAD%20(EAST)%20-%20CACA.PDF |author=Hull City Council |title=Holderness Road (East) Conservation Area Character Appraisal |publisher=Hull City Council |month=September |year=2004 |format=PDF}}</ref>

Not in Drypool, probably Summergangs or Southcoatses . Will leave a message on Summergangs - please use elsewhere. Imgaril (talk) 01:27, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

As with Hull Prison above, although East Park is not in the Drypool Ward for Hull City Council, it is in the current Anglican Parish of Drypool (see [2]). As this article is about "Drypool" in general, in my opinion this reference too should be restored Johnsaunderson 20/08/2011 —Preceding undated comment added 16:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC).

If the park was a religious structure I would agree. As it's simply geographic it would be best to place it in the closest matching geographic area - as the park was definately built on the area known as Summergangs it should really go in that article. I've added it to Summergangs but the article needs expansion.Imgaril (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking more from the legal point of view. My understand was that an ecclesiastical parish is defined geographically in English law rather than in terms of structures. So the Marriage Act 1949 requires those getting married in a C of E church to have their banns read in the church of the Parish in which they reside. However, as no humans reside in East Park (as far as I know) I suppose this is irrelevant in this case! Johnsaunderson 20/08/2011 —Preceding undated comment added 20:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC).

It's possible (I'll take your word for it) - is there somewhere online where the boundaries of the parish are clearly given - it should at least be linked to, and different then the difference commented on. If there's a legal aspect then it definately needs covering. However, currently I don't know exactly where the ecclesiastical boundaries actually lie. Imgaril (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

List of churches

While I sort this out I'll list some churches not yet mentioned here - note - the large religious parish of Drypool extends to include summergangs, southcoates, also parts of marfleet. Not sure which article to mention them in... List here so I don't need to look again:

• Church of the Sacred Heart - Southcoates Lane, Catholic (Southcoates)
• St. Francis's Church, Lee Smith Street, Catholic (on the site of a Lutheran church/mission) (Marfleet probably)
• St. Aidans, Southcoates Avenue (Southcoates)
• East Park Baptist Church, (Summergangs/Southcoates)
• Portobello Methodist Church (Summergangs/Southcoates/near Sutton) 1906?
• The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, 725 Holderness Road (Summergangs/Southcoates/near Sutton) (built 1965 [3])
• Holderness Road United Reformed Church, 440 Holderness Road (Summergangs/Southcoates)
• Presbytarian Church, Holderness Road, between Field and Williamson Street (Drypool) ?? [4] Built 1874, Demolished 1972 (the same?) , also see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/PhotoFrames/ERY/HullHoldernessRdExMethodistNowPub.html - probably incorrectly labelled - this is the sunday school? also see Holderness Road: registered in 1874.
• Holderness Road Methodist Chapel current, between mersey and durham street (drypool/southcoates, edge of garden village) opened 1962/3
  • Brunswick Chapel (on same site as above?) 1877, assembly hall added 1886 , new church opened 1962 [5] ?
  • Durham street chapel - replaced by Brunswick chapel [6]
• Primitive methodist chapel on Williamson street (opposite Beaumont Street) - no longer exists, street plan changed - roughly at Bannister Drive (Drypool) is this [7] Henry Hodge Memorial Chapel? see also
• Methodist church, holderness road, north side, south of bright street (bright street no longer connects to Holderness road) IS THIS "Bright Street Chapel" mentioned in [8]
• Salvation army, franklin street [9]
• Southcoates Lane Methodist Chapel [10]
• [11] mentions a primitive methodist church quote "Holderness Road Primitive Methodist Chapel (unconfirmed) is on the eastern side of Holderness Road next to a row of three Victorian shops on the corner of Williamson Street. Also known as Bright Street Chapel, it was founded in 1864" - appears to be combination of Henry Hodge Chapel, and methodist church on bright street - check maps - not found evidence for it yet - might be an error?
• St. Mark's Church (St. Mark's Street) the groves.
• Bethesda Prim. Methodist, Holderness road (east) / Holland street (north)
• 2 on Damson lane -see [12]
• Raikes Street (or Church street) was here google maps
• Witham (Holborn street) orig. 1830 CONGREGATIONALISTS AND INDEPENDDENTS after 1860 Prim. Meth. [13] (Witham)
• Witham, Kingston chapel (1841) [14] (Witham)
• Lime Street (the groves / River bank) [15]

• Spiritualist churches in Holderness road (present) formerley Williamson street, witham,
• Williamson Street "Latimer Chapel" (1869 temp) (1874) [16] quote " Latimer Church, in Williamson Street, is a neat Gothic structure, built in 1875, of red brick with black bands" image

Castle

This:

During a visit to Hull in 1541, [[Henry VIII of England|King Henry VIII]] personally reviewed the defenses of the town, and concluded that Hull was “……too weakly fortified.” Among the improvements he commanded that "The little round tower on Holderness side to be enlarged...". By 1543, £23,000 had been spent to building Hull Citadel, a formidable fortress of blockhouses, walls and ditches covered the south west corner of Drypool. The Citadel's formidable artillery defended Hull for many years. It underwent many alterations and covered 30 acres [0.33 hectares]. In the nineteenth century the need for such a large defense had past. In 1851 only a token garrison of three gunners remained. With the expanding Drypool docks, the site was sold and the buildings of the Citadel taken down in 1863.<ref>[http://www.yorkshirehistory.com/citadel/index.htm Yorkshire History.com; The Hull Citadel - Defending Town, County & Country]</ref> Since then Victoria Dock itself has closed and been replaced with the Victoria Dock Village private housing estate. The site of the Citadel is now occupied by [[The Deep (aquarium)|The Deep]].

needs to go in an article on the castle eg Hull Castle - placed here for fact matching - dead link. now at http://ourpasthistory.com/yorkshirehistory/citadel/index.htm Imgaril (talk) 00:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Note. See Fortifications of Kingston upon Hull - now fixed, except some minor details.Oranjblud (talk) 11:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete history

Important non-trivial missing bits:

• History and description of 'The Groves' - location, etymology, slums and clearance, later industry, present.
• 19th and 20th century industrial development
  • Mills - eg early (unsucessful) sugar mills, cloth mills. Later 'flour' mills -eg Rank mill.
  • 'Holderness foundry' - linked to Priestmann's (company)
  • Shipbuilding : Earle's, Samuelson's shipyards etc - also reclamation of land on humber banks

Oranjblud (talk) 11:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Pre reformation church

This may be being too pedantic, but would it be appropriate to move the line "The Domesday Book does not mention a church in Drypool, though one is shown on a drawing of 1350; some archaeological evidence suggests a date of as early as the 12th century for its construction." to before the section title "Anglican" as technically St Peter's would have not been Anglican until Henry 8th nationalised the church in English? JohnS (talk) 22:04, 10 March 2015 (UTC)