Talk:Control of cities during the Syrian civil war

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Kurdish presence in aleppo

source https://twitter.com/sergermed/status/561985092890144768

https://twitter.com/sergermed/status/560952310776750080

https://twitter.com/sergermed/status/560576534407565312

same account have also mentioned about kurds+fsa rebels in Qazel, Ghara/Yani yaban, Dalhah & Baghirin these villages aren't even marked in this map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creepz55 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 2 February 2015‎

YPG in KOBANE

According to this confirmed source YPG controlls zorava tel aotk korabi and susan are they even marked on the map?

https://twitter.com/ColdKurd/status/561294811094065153 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creepz55 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 2 February 2015‎

Joum Ali in kobane.

Joum ali in kobane

https://twitter.com/jackshahine/status/561974858951950336?lang=sv

It's completelly liberated why does the map show ISIS presence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creepz55 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 2 February 2015‎

Tell Tamar

Tell Tamar contested between YPG and IS http://syriadirect.org/rss/1955-syria-direct-news-update-4-2-15.Paolowalter (talk) 21:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

The two sources that confirm the news item are 1. ISIS fans in twitter, 2. Hasakah Youth Union which is a known pro-ISIS and anti-YPG source thus being unvalid for purposes of ilustrating ISIS advances against anyone else.

190.65.46.239 (talk) 18:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Majed al-Haskawi is not pro-IS and is pro-FSA, so its valid. The youth union is neither pro or anti IS, their loyalties are largely unknown and likely opportunistic like many others. Syria Direct also doesn't post news it can't confirm. So revert. Tgoll774 (talk) 15:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

SOHR says most of Salamiyah taken over by Nusra?

http://syriahr.com/en/2015/04/35-killed-or-wounded-by-missiles-on-salamia-city/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafar Saeed (talk • contribs) 17:24, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

This maybe mistake! Here pro opposition source reported that missiles have landed today on the strategically important Assad controlled city of As-salamiyah in Hamah.here Also when we edit such strategically important city, we need more evidence. Also we not have reports of clashes in the city between Al Nusra and Syrian trpoops. So that need more data. Hanibal911 (talk) 18:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Also not one from the pro-opposition or pro Al Nusra sources not said about clashes or that JAN controlled the some areas in this city. Hanibal911 (talk) 18:13, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

SOHR said that ISIS shelled some areas in east part of Hama province which is also partialy under control by Al Nusra.SOHR Hanibal911 (talk) 18:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

And here pro opposition source just reported that that 6 civilians were killed among them children and others were injured and most of them in serious danger, today afternoon, due to launching Grad missiles over Al-Salamya city in Hamah eastern countryside. And that clashes were operated between FSA and regime forces in the western countryside for the city, where several injuries fell between regime forces.Qasion News So pro opposition source clear said that clashes in the western countryside of this city but not inside or near this city. Also, a few days ago pro opposition source clearly indicated that clashes going between army and rebels in area to west from the city which located deep in area which under control by Syrian troops.archicivilians And there were no reports that rebels advance in the direction of the city. Hanibal911 (talk) 18:39, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Also Kurdish source just said that this city under fire of ISIS! 2 missiles hit the city and that 8 civilians was killed including children and women.Jack Shahine Hanibal911 (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The source was most likely incorrect. The city is deep in government-held territory and, except for occasional missile strikes, there has been no fighting in the town since the start of the war. So its SAA-held. EkoGraf (talk) 00:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

SOHR said that at least 11 people including 2 children died after being hit by rockets at areas in the town of Al Salamiyah to east of Hama and that those rockets was launched from the areas controlled by Al-Nusra Fron and Islamic factions from the western countryside, and the number of killed is likely to rise because there are at least 25 wounded.SOHR So as I said reports from SOHR on english often contain many mistakes because they are not correctly translated. Hanibal911 (talk) 07:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

SSAF bombarded another rebel meeting

According pro SAA source SAAF bombarded large Opposition Forces meeting in Busra Al-Sham (in my oppinion it is stupid to make meeting near army territory). According IvanSidorenko1 - over 70 killed and injuring including mamy high rank commanders, according leithfadel 70+ dead, including 5 commanders. In the last months in Ildib gov SAAF bombed meeting high-ranking members of JAN. 217.99.129.185 (talk) 18:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

But this source not said that the town of Busra Al-Sham under control by rebels. Syrian airforce also bombed town of Busra al Sham when he was contested between army and rebels. So I am sorry but this is not enough. Hanibal911 (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

But I do not want to change the city, it is only urgent information post. How rebels lost their high rank commanders some like JAN 217.99.129.185 (talk) 19:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

This begs the question of how strongly pro-regime sources (using typical regime wording) would know what happens in rebel held territory, but no reports from neutral or rebel sources. Sounds like propaganda to me.

As well as not changing who controls the town. André437 (talk) 11:14, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Remove siege icon on T2 Pumping Station

The siege icon on the T2 Pumping Station held by IS needs to be removed. It was a one-off attack by pro-government tribesmen, and it wasn't successful. The icon has been present for over a week, and there is not still tribesmen attacking it. The icon's presence makes it seem like they still are, and I can't find any sources saying there is an ongoing siege. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:4C8D:68EA:2129:963B (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

This issue with some semicircles near of towns and villages and near other objects (including military bases) we must solve as a whole and not only in some individual cases. Because we cant just remove some semicircles only on based of our assumptions. Hanibal911 (talk) 20:43, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the attack was never meant to take the station, only to kill ISIS fighters and take their equipment, which was successful. The icon is not to show that tribesmen are still attacking, it is to show SAA presence in the area, which would be needed to launch such raids. XJ-0461 v2 (talk) 01:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I also agree to remove this icon beacause this is not the icon to show the presence but to show clashes near those places.Lindi29 (talk) 16:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Lindi29 I also agree to remove the semi-circle but in return we can put this icon to the west of T2 Pumping Station on the border between the Homs and Deir Ez Zor provinces here that would show the presence of the army in the area. Hanibal911 (talk) 16:44, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Hanibal911. 2601:0:B200:F7D9:BD61:4B54:4ADF:5032 (talk) 18:50, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

 Done Hanibal911 (talk) 20:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Beit Jinn, Beit Saber, Mazraat Beit Jen, Maqrusah, Sa'sa - are under loayalist?

According to https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/585095829591089152

Maybe we need to change? Is it possible to contact locals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arissston (talk • contribs) 22:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC) ：We cannot contact locals as anyone claiming to have information from them would be violating our rules banning original research, their claims would also be unverifiable. As for your source, Peto Lucem acknowledges that the map is pro-gov. and we cannot use pro-gov maps for gov gains. We will, however, wait to see if a neutral reliable source makes a statement about the situation. XJ-0461 v2 (talk) 01:39, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Firstly Sa'sa and Maqrusah now marked as under control by Syrian troops and Beit Jinn, Beit Saber, Mazraat Beit Jen, was marked under control by rebels with red semicircle according to data neutral source.here Hanibal911 (talk) 07:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

It is a biased map. Not made by Peto. Just ignore it. Totholio (talk) 09:19, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Peto Lucem refutes the map in this tweet: https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/585105725346729984 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafar Saeed (talk • contribs) 17:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Latakia

Some news from Latakia almasdar. For our map it is simply stating that Rabiya is contested, that is already.Paolowalter (talk) 06:31, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Paolowalter many new villages have been added under rebel control and some saa held have been changed to rebel held ,do you know why ?86.178.97.43 (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Qamenaas

Qamenaas contested http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/battle-map-of-the-saa-offensive-in-idlib-tiger-forces-enter-qameenas/.Paolowalter (talk) 07:50, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

IS attack on Khalkhalah Airbase in As-Sweida Governorate

IS death cult launched an attack on the government's Khalkhalah airbase but they were repelled. This article also states that the attack was launched from an IS held town of Al-Lijat on the border of the Dara’a Governorate: http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-surprise-attack-in-as-sweida-ends-in-a-disaster-for-them/ This town needs to be marked on the map.

Al-Lijat it is not town it is area in the Dara province. And source made mistake because ISIS attacked in area of Tal Dalfa to east of Khalkhala military airport in the northern countryside but army stop this attack and retake area which was captured during the attack ISIS.SOHRSOHR Hanibal911 (talk) 07:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Pro-government forces repelled an attack on a key Syrian airport during a fierce battle in which they lost 20 fighters but killed almost as many militants, activists said. Rami Abdel Rahman, the head of the SOHR said there was an attack on the outskirts of the Khalkhalah military airport in Sweida province but the army has been able to maintain control over the airport and its surrounding areas despite losing 20 fighters. At least 15 militants were killed. Although the Observatory was awaiting confirmation on the identity of the attackers, Abdel Rahman told AFP they were likely to have been jihadis from ISIS.The Daily StarThe Malaysian InsiderNaharnetAgency France PressThe Economic TimesKhaleej Times Hanibal911 (talk) 08:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear editors!!!

Be careful when you use reports from SOHR in English. This is largely erroneous reports and they distort the original data in reports from SOHR! Here in original report SOHR reported that bombing helicopters morning barrels explosive areas in the town of Al-Lataminah countryside north of Hama and other areas in the village of Abu Hbeilat in eastern part Hama province and there was no information about casualties so far.SOHR But in the report which was translated was says that the helicopters dropped barrel bombs on places in the towns of Kafar Zita, Morek and Allatamnah in the north of Hama leading to kill a man from Allataminah.SOHR It would be best not use the translated reports and use only original reports. Also here original report from SOHR reported that the number of death toll rose to at least to 20 elements of the security forces and gunmen loyal to her, including 12 of the Palestine Liberation Army who were killed yesterday during an attack by militants believed to be from the "Islamic state" on area of the hill Tall Dilfa and its surroundings.SOHR But in the report which was translated was says that the 12 members of the regime forces and allied militiamen died while others were wounded, some of them seriously wounded, due to an attack launched by unknown fighters on Tal Defda’ area in the east of the airbase of Khalkhalah. And that clashes are taking place between the regime forces and allied militiamen against the Islamic battalions near the airbase of al- Tho’lah, amid mutual bombardment between the two sides.SOHR But SOHR not said about this in original report or in other original reports. So that someone in the during translation willfully adds excess information and these reports can not be used because they was distorted and report false data. Hanibal911 (talk) 08:03, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Agree. Best to use original Arabic reports. English versions tend to be mistranslated (bad English). EkoGraf (talk) 08:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

AlhanutyLindi29HCPUNXKIDPaolowalterXJ-0461 v2DuckZzAndré4378fra0ChrissCh94 Let's for now we all make this very important decision which in the future help all us not make mistakes and not make wrong edits only based on erroneous reports. So I ask support from other editors in this decision. Hanibal911 (talk) 08:45, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Agree that we should be careful about SOHR english reports because often poor quality translations.

Note that the english language articles are not necessarily direct translations of the published arabic articles. They could be based on later info (as maybe your first example) or earlier info (possibly the second example).

However since the initial info is always in arabic, those articles are probably more accurate at their point in time. If you recall, SOHR used to often give frequent updates of casualties from the same incident. And later daily summaries were corrected, so frequently different (generally higher) daily totals than the sum of individual reports. (Sometimes lower when he transferred counts to previous days.)

André437 (talk) 10:56, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 I dont agree on the airbase of al- Tho’lah,this pro-opp sources that you provided admit clashes and bombardment near the airbase I provided a pro-goverment source who admit clashes in the Westren side of the airport,EkoGraf provided the same source as Hanibal provided that doesn't specify anything olny admit clashes near the airport,but you are not showing that you are hiding this fact so Ekograf you need to rv yourself.Lindi29 (talk) 13:46, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Lindi29 Pro government source said just clashes near but not indicated that rebels attacked this base or that the in the vicinity from this base but pro opposition sources just said that clashes between the towns of Al Karak and Umm Waled. So not need semicircle near this air base. Understand that if a collision at a distance of several kilometers, and if it is not an attack in order to grab an object this is not the basis for the semi-circle. Also sometimes reports from Twitter about clashes are erroneous or inaccurate. Also I have already provide you the cases when the source said that the clashes near but in fact they were at a great distance from the object. But all reports from the pro-oppositions sources which I was provide you only said that rebels shelled this airport and not more. Also this discussion not apply to this airport. So not need provide in this discussion the superfluous data. Hanibal911 (talk) 14:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 The source clearly said clashes near the airbase the pro-opp sources are proving that to,this is not a matter of distance if it say it's near the airbase we always put the semicircle? if we dont put that semicircle it means that there are no clashes? like I said to you before you always are misunderstanding reports this is not an hit and run thing like the one on The pumping station in Deir-er Zor when you put the semicircle this is not hit and run attack this are clashes that are happening near the Westren side of the airbase by the source I provided but still you are ignoring it mate.Lindi29 (talk) 15:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

In Deir ez Zor it was not clashes near Pumping Station this was attack on this object but later I removed this semicircle. And when source said that clashes between two towns this not mean that we need put semicircle near Airport which also located in this area. And not one reliable source not said about clashes near of al Tho’lah Airport so that this mean that no serious clashes near the airport itself as it was in area of Khalkhalah military airport. Also I no ignore source which you provide I just provide other the pro opposition sources which not indicated that rebels attacked on Airport only shelled him. Hanibal911 (talk) 15:33, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I think we should only use the main arabic version of SOHR. ChrissCh94 (talk) 19:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I guess we should only use use the Arabic ones, since I noted translated mistakes when I go to SOHR for reports. Per all.--Damirgraffiti |☺What's Up?☺ 19:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Yarmouk Camp 2

ISIS pulling out of Yarmouk and the Falastine streets inside the camp. Following battle.Elijah J. Magnier Hanibal911 (talk) 17:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Lafarge Plant

Seems that YPG is clashing with ISIS in the vicinity of the plant per SOHR (this time Arabic). --Damirgraffiti |☺What's Up?☺ 19:50, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

But earlier the pro opposition source reported that ISIS blew up the plant after evacuating its contents and transferring them to the city of Raqqa and the blast led to the destruction of 80% of the plant.ARA News So now it just ruins and there is no reason to keep it on the map as the cement plant. And another pro opposition source also reported that ISIS destroyed this factory.here and here other data here Hanibal911 (talk) 21:03, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

So I guess we can remove the plant symbol since they destroyed it, because apparently, someone added back that symbol into the map. Or should we not?--Damirgraffiti |☺What's Up?☺ 21:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Despite being destroyed the plant is still being contested between the two groups suggesting at least some grade of importance as a military position, so I would suggest leaving it in until the frontline moves far enough away from it for it to become irrelevant. 190.67.245.194 (talk) 07:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Some pictures of the plant have been published today, and the factory seems almost intact. https://twitter.com/jackshahine/status/587632498248671232 --8fra0 (talk) 22:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Regime advances in Eastern Syria

SOHR reporting that regime forces have advanced in Southern Qamishly countryside and captured a village from ISIS [1] If anyone knows what village they're talking about, that would be great.

Official Syrian Revolution Page (pro rebel) saying regime forces have captured advanced posts outside Ayyash in Deir el Zoor and have secured the riverbank there. [2]

This means Ayyash is regime held since they launched an attack from the village to expand the security perimeter. This comes when pro-regime sources reported that SAA forces have repelled an ISIS counterattack on Ayyash. [3] ChrissCh94 (talk) 22:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

ChrissCh94 Pro government source reported that Syrian troops in coordination with NDF and the Assyrian “Sootooro” milita captured village of ‘Umm Ghadeer to south from Qamishli.here Hanibal911 (talk) 08:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Alright then we have the name. Hanibal911 What do you think about Ayyash? ChrissCh94 (talk) 12:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

ChrissCh94 For now I look your data about this town so I answer you shortly. Hanibal911 (talk) 12:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

ChrissCh94 Maybe you are right that the town Ayyash for now under control by troops. But I also found a map which showed situation in this area for April 8 and this map showed that area where located TV tower now controlled by troops.here Hanibal911 (talk) 13:14, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

ChrissCh94 here is the full report of the village of ‘Umm Ghadeer.Lindi29 (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Hanibal911 why is Ayyash changed to red?Lindi29 (talk) 18:51, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Lindi29 This was confirmed data in this discussion. But if you think that those data not confirmed that Ayash under control by army! I will revert this. Hanibal911 (talk) 19:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

South West Aleppo countryside

From http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/hell-reigns-supreme-over-hell-syrian-army-makes-substantial-gains-in-the-south/ the poultry taken by SAA. Al-Wadiha seem contested. Objections? 87.9.149.62 (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Updates in Kobane

Based on Chuck Pfarrer map1 & map2, Shash, Khan mamid, Jaban, Sal, Hamadun(&jayl), Qalat hadid and Nur Ali are with YPG. Mitras is with ISIS. Ricardomoha (talk) 11:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)