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Mustaine
BTW, if you revert again, you would have broken WP:3RR and may be blocked for 24 hours. Please find a reliable source that explicitly says he is Welsh. Mad Jack 23:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
(I notice how you gloat, with hypocrisy and libel)
Mustaine says his family motto is that of Mostyn. Mostyn is Welsh. That is like Bill O'Reilly saying his family badge is (whatever it is of the O'Reilly clan of Cavan), without explicitly stating he is Irish. Look up Clan O'Reilly; it turns out they come from Ulster. In identical fashion; look up Mostyn. Oh, golly gee whiz! Mostyn is a family name from North Wales; Flintshire to be exact. What do you know! That's exactly how people learn! You should not obstruct the Wikipedia community with your false charges and libel. IP Address 23:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's not relevant where the name Mustaine comes from. If you have a source that Dave Mutaine is a Welsh-American, please provide it here and I will add it to the articles myself. But you can't go around deducing "what" he is from sources that don't actually say he is Welsh. Mad Jack 23:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, the family crest Mustaine claims is his, states his family comes from Wales. Why do you have a problem with that source, when there are so numerous identifications of people in this manner or similar? Do you want a family Bible, or are you an atheist and have a problem with that cite as well? What's wrong with Dave's ownership of his family crest, which researchers (unaffiliated with me) have identified as originating in Wales? You don't trust that website? It's rather unbiased. You don't trust Dave's statements made in the interview, or the website posting his interview? You just have a personal problem with me. If I had that website cited in the first place, you would not be acting like this now. Even ElKevbo felt that way, until I made a comment about him. So, it is personal for you now. I realize it wasn't before. Man, chill out. There's no original research done here, just an interested editor who likes to put out good faith edits and not be insulted by those who choose which sources to accept on a whim such as disliking the messenger. Go ahead and kill the messenger; you've already managed to shut me up by crafting the situation as if you did nothing wrong. You never took the time to look at the data for what it was, just shifted your gaze onto me. Now, you tell me "tough". I'm not buying your bullshit and you haven't listend to ElKevbo's suggestions either. IP Address 00:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, what is needed is a source that says Dave Mutaine is a Welsh-American or Welsh. It doesn't matter what his last name is or where it comes from. That's the original research bit. You can not go around deducing that someone is Irish-American because their last name is O'Reilly, or that they are Jewish because their last name is Cohen. You need a source specifically on the topic in question - i.e. Dave Mustaine - that says exactly what you want to say in the article. Not anything close or sort of similar, but the exact thing. It's 100% or nothing on Wikipedia. No deductions of our own. We are just drones passing the information along. Mad Jack 00:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
You have to cool down. Listen to ElKevbo. All that needs doing is a rephrase of the tidbit of what we know on his background, like this version: "Dave Mustaine has claimed the Mostyn family crest as his own, which he includes in his song "Shadow of Deth" and discusses in an interview with a Greek reporter. Ancestry.com, the University of Oxford and House of Names identify Mostyn as a Welsh family. Dave Mustaine says he was raised a Jehovah's Witness and that his mother was of the Jewish religion, but that he is a born-again Christian as an adult." This is a common way of editing on the Wikipedia, without 'jumping to conclusions of original research', which is left for the reader to determine. Why is it so important to not say what one sees right in front of himself, as you try to force me to do? I would have to leave the edit just like what is written above, instead of directly state or categorize that Dave is Welsh-American. By the way, I have traditionally been apathetic and even hostile about Welsh people (especially Welsh nationalists and Arthurian mystical supremacists)--but the revelation of Mustaine's heritage has softened my perception of Welshmen. Mustaine just happens to be my favourite metal artist, who I respect for his views. I respect his view that he is Welsh; you do not. You are being a stick in the mud and it is unjustified. When I thought Mustaine was French, that was unsourced. Now, I actually have a few sources that delineate his Mostyn background in Wales--even Domesday Book info about Mostyn and that part of Wales I never heard of, except through a statement that Dave Mustaine himself said. Dave Mustaine opened a metaphorical can of worms, or at least a pot of gold as I see it. IP Address 00:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I see where you have used mocking language in edit summaries apart from dealing with myself: just one example; I may be forced to find more of this BS if you continue to attack my good faith edits So, you indeed have a history of being pushy with those who contradict your preferences? IP Address 00:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Here, you have stated that your perception of ethnic heritage is true and called other perceptions false: Wikipedia_talk:No_original_research#Ethnicity_inclusions. You do not understand the concept of WP:NPOV, which I have told you and yet you never addressed the issue--all you want to do is control my edits to fit your self-centred POV. IP Address 00:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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I don't give a fucking shit. You didn't even do a background check. IP Address 23:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)