User talk:Random86

jessica forced out of snsd

do you even have banning powers to constantly threaten me? anyhow, i don't know if you're new to reading, but there shouldn't be a consensus to a word that jessica herself used on her personal social media, it's called misquoting. binvoiler (talk) 04:39, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

@Binvoiler: You already added Jessica's point of view to the article, and she did not use the phrase "kicked out" according to the sources posted. She said "I am being forced out", so if you would like that wording to be included in the article, start a discussion on the article's talk page. If you continue edit warring you will be reported to WP:AN3. Random86 (talk) 05:49, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Random86: how is it even debatable to use what she indeed said or a clearly softer word to diminish the image damage of the rest of the group? and it wasn't even presented as factual, just a quote from social media.

Like I said before, she did not use the phrase "kicked out". It was not presented as a quote because there were no quotation marks. Anyway, I am not going to argue with you here. Please start a discussion on Talk:Jessica Jung if you want something changed. Random86 (talk) 06:09, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

thank you

for correcting my deletes of the music videos from the discography. It is very hard to make heads or tales of the standards between filmography/ videography/ discography but I realized you were right that when no separate article exists for an artist videography or filmography the standard practice is to but them in the discography. Thank you again. Peachywink (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem. :) We all make mistakes here and there. Random86 (talk) 02:54, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Hawwah (Gain EP)

This album hasn't been released yet and is all written in future tense. Do you wanna do that thing you do where it goes away? :) Shinyang-i (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It's most likely WP:TOOSOON, but it does have prose and sources so idk. I'm not sure how the guidelines apply here. Random86 (talk) 07:23, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Me either. I'm just so very sick of this article-before-it's-released crap. I deleted a bunch of stuff like the "release history"...since an unrelased item has no release history. I revisited it and I guess it's okay; the editor who created has some actual editing history and I'm guessing is unlikely to leave it in present tense forever, as happens with so many of these situations. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 07:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I've come across album articles still written in future tense even though the album has been out for years. By the way, would you (or anyone, really) mind looking over No No No (A Pink song) and Secret Garden (EP)? I had merged them before because there wasn't much there, but another editor later expanded both articles. (It was discussed on Talk:Pink Luv.) I think the song article is in pretty good shape, but I'm not sure about some parts like "perfect for the Spring season" (POV?). The album article looks like it needs a lot of editing, but I don't know where to start. Random86 (talk) 07:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I took a quick look and both of those are in pretty decent shape, actually. The song one is pretty impressive and well-sourced for a kpop song article. Considering I've never heard of the song though it came out when I lived in Korea (and I even saw Apink perform!), the editor did a good job of digging out every bit of farty press K-media had to offer. However, the article doesn't have a whole lot of the type of trivia or fluff we so often see, so the editor did a good job of not making the article itself too farty (a reference to WP:FART). I have my doubts the song is actually notable despite all the sources, as most of them aren't about the actual song and I know all too well how K-media works, but...? The "perfect for spring" statement is very POV but it might have been the source that said it. One problem with all these Korean sources is it takes forever to try to read what they actually say and there's little doubt the editor didn't actually read them but instead used a crap translation from a non-RS. But hey, what can ya do? The EP article is less trimmed of fluff and lacks sources for chart placements and release history, but it's on its way, I think. I wish editors would put half this much effort into songs and albums people might actually remember in five years' time instead of on what is quite likely to ultimately be utterly forgettable. :/

While we're asking favors, if you go to my user page you'll see a list of T-ara and Kara albums I proposed to merge song articles into. One user has come along and objected to all of them (as well as some stuff by T-ara I already merged). If you've got a moment, I'd like your opinion on the proposed merges, as you're way more into girl groups than I am and an experienced editor. Shinyang-i (talk) 18:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. :) I think I commented on all the merger proposals. Random86 (talk) 03:06, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I briefly looked at the Secret Garden article, and I just found the "Release and Promotion" section a bit trivial. Like do we really need "a second video teaser was released, showing the girls each holding a bouquet of flowers in a green meadow" or "In a preview of their upcoming music video of the song, Apink members can be seen dancing and singing a small part of their song"? I actually find the entire section too "PR-ed". As for the "Concept" section, I won't say it is too trivial, but I think the wording/phrasing needs to be improved. It just does not sound good to me. Just a thought. --TerryAlex (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree with everything you said. I guess it's hard for me to explain to other editors why stuff like that is trivial. Random86 (talk) 03:42, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Navbox template deletion

Hey, I see you've been doing some template merges/deletions(?). I don't feel like I want to dive into that area right now, but I just deleted every single link on Template:Chocolat, and it now has no content at all. It only had a few singles to begin with, and they've all been merged to the artist article. There are some indications the group may have disbanded, so a large slew of upcoming articles on their works necessitating a navbox in the future seems unlikely. Can you list it for deletion? Not very controversial, I don't think. :) Thanks! Shinyang-i (talk) 01:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Seeing as this is uncontroversial, you can try WP:G6- or WP:T3-tagging it. Alakzi (talk) 01:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Sometimes, I read news about a celebrity making small donations/giving away to charity [a few thousand dollars or less each time], is this worth a mention? Or should we lump it together and summarize it somehow?--TerryAlex (talk) 15:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't really know, but it might be better summarized with a few examples. Random86 (talk) 03:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Endorsements

Please help to put back Sistar and the members' endorsements. I realise a lot of information had been removed so I'll be grateful if you can help thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MindyChua (talk • contribs) 10:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

@MindyChua: Lists of endorsements are not necessary so I'm not going to help put those back (I assume that's what you are referring to). Please remember to put your post at the bottom of the page next time, and sign it by adding four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. Random86 (talk) 04:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Well,you keep saying everything is unnecessary. The previous time about the members' section, you said it was unnecessary as well. As you can see in SNSD's page,there is the endorsements section so if snsd have it,sistar must have it too. MindyChua (talk) 17:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Why do you keep asking me for help if you don't like my answers? If you think Sistar has notable endorsements, write something in prose with reliable sources and add it to their page. Random86 (talk) 05:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Lee Jong Hyun age

he is 26 years old. http://kshowonline.com/kshow/3188-[engsub]-we-got-married-ep.263 at 73 minutes and 40 second marks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.49.120 (talk) 18:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? He was born 15 May 1990, and is 26 years old using East Asian age reckoning. Random86 (talk) 05:10, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Exo filmography for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Exo filmography is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exo filmography until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Shinyang-i (talk) 01:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by 4Minute

	List of awards and nominations received by 4Minute
	"Stop adding the fansite awards. They are not appropriate for Wikipedia." Try to look at "List of awards and nominations received by Super Junior, Beast etc." awards from fansites were included too.... Knet Gatchi (talk) 05:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@Knet Gatchi: Those awards shouldn't be on any articles. I remove them whenever I see them. Random86 (talk) 05:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

And here, ladies and gentlemen, we have more evidence as to why the 4minute awards article is being considered for deletion. Knet Gatchi, go read the Korea MOS or the awards MOS - the fan stuff you keep trying to add is specifically forbidden. It's not just Random86's personal opinion; Wikipedia isn't about one person's opinion. Read rules instead of looking to other kpop articles for guidance, as kpop articles are rarely in accordance with Wikipedia standards (largely because people like you continually insist on doing whatever you want and harass editors who try to clean up your messes). Shinyang-i (talk) 06:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Gaon Album Chart

Let's continue this discussion lol.

If you think about it, if I'm updating it monthly, by the time Gaon releases the official half-yearly (4 months to go) or yearly album chart, you would only need to make a few edits instead of waiting until next year to create it. I don't get why you didn't do this last year when it was being updated monthly, but now you're removing it...while users like me are making life easier. -- LonelyBliue (talk) 05:40, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Ice Cream Cake

I attempted to trim and merge those two articles. Look in my sandbox and see what else you want to do to it my sandbox. Don't think there is anything much to it.--TerryAlex (talk) 16:34, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

A merge would be easy, but I started a discussion so there wouldn't be an edit war. If you support the merge, can you join the discussion? This is how I would have merged them: User:Random86/sandbox. It's arranged slightly different. Random86 (talk) 07:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Cecile Corbel wiki page

Hi. I was doing some researching to add more to Cecile Corbel's page and happen to come across this radio interview of hers with a local radio station in Malaysia. Here's the link if you want to check it out: http://www.bfm.my/celtic-harp-cecile-corbel.html EnvyDC (talk) 06:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I kind of gave up on her page because I couldn't find good English-language sources. Thanks for the link! I'll listen to it later. Random86 (talk) 06:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

No probs! I've been searching for interviews of her actually speaking in English like crazy. I found quite a number of local articles written about her to my surprise. I didn't even know she came to Malaysia then. Would've been lucky if I'd been able to attend her concert then. EnvyDC (talk) 13:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

do you mind doing this merge?

Hey, how's it going? I've been super busy off wiki lately, and just stopped by today. Some hardheaded editor removed the results of the AFD discussion on With: Live Tour 2015 (which was to merge it), and made me realize it never got merged. I restored the results banner, but do you mind doing the merge? Honestly, I'm too irritated with the history of that article to do it properly and would wind up destroying it. But it's gotta get done, I guess. Pretty please?  :) Shinyang-i (talk) 06:02, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do the merge. :) I've been good, but also busy off wiki. Thanks for stopping by! Random86 (talk) 06:26, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Hey, other related topics - there are still a lot of Girls' Generation song articles, it seems, many for minor songs. Have you thought about merging them? And the Roly-Poly issue ... dunno what to do about that. Sigh. The song probably deserves an article and there's probably enough info, but then what to do about the EP article? If the EP is merged into the song, can other aspects of the EP (of which there are few, but still....) be discussed in the song article? I just don't know... Shinyang-i (talk) 07:51, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Shinyang-i, I haven't looked at all Girls' Generation's song/album articles, but I'm sure there are some that could be merged. TerryAlex tried to merge "Gee" one time, and...it did not go well. That's not a minor song though. I will take a look at the rest later. You might want to contribute to the proposed merge of Twinkle (Girls' Generation-TTS song). I don't think it makes sense to merge albums into songs, so even though Roly-Poly is notable, I still think it makes sense to merge it.

On another note, could I get your opinion on the notability of Park Choa? She was redirected to AOA via AfD recently, but another editor restored her page. Random86 (talk) 06:29, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm looking now, trying to compare the version now to the version that was AFD'd. As far as I can see, they are nearly identical, although she has since picked up a role as an MC on We Got Married, which I don't think pushes her over the threshold for notability. As far as I know, unless the new article is drastically different from the AFD'd version, the AFD results have to be honored. This happened on the Hani article too...someone reverted that back into existence three times. Before taking any action, I'd talk to Drmies or another admin about it to see if there's a way to prevent these reversions from occurring or if there are certain warnings for doing so. I support reverting it back to a redirect - maybe an admin can make it more permanent. Shinyang-i (talk) 06:40, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

The only other difference is she's a cast member of the variety show My Little Television, whatever that is. Random86 (talk) 06:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I left a message for the editor who closed the AFD about the issue in general, the reversion of pages closed as "delete and redirect" at AFD, because this one's been reverted twice and the Hani one was three times. I'm asking if there are ways to prevent this. So, we'll see what he says. Hopefully there'll be some helpful advice for dealing with these situations in general. Since Choa's only "new" activities are reality shows, she still hasn't entered the realm of individual notability...should be no problem there establishing that the article should stay deleted. Shinyang-i (talk) 07:06, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and redirected the page, so we'll see what happens. By the way, your latest talk page archive wasn't showing up in the box so I fixed the name. Hope you don't mind. :) Random86 (talk) 07:45, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh I don't mind at all. I didn't realize it. And yeah, we'll see what happens. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 08:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Please work on those Girls' Generation songs/albums articles. I know they can be further improved. I tried to do it once, and because it did not go well, so that's why I have not really attempted another. By the way, I think the "Background" section of "Catch Me If you Can" can be condensed to something like this sandbox. Wording, of course, can be improved/rearranged since I'm not sure if I made the description of Korean/Japanese release sounds too confusing, but I just don't like the idea of these articles looking like a series of PR releases. You are free to edit my sandbox anyway you want.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:43, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I proposed a merge for two of the songs from Oh!, and will get to the rest eventually. Sorry I never got back to you on CMIYC. I've been really busy and have been mostly doing quick edits. Random86 (talk) 05:27, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

No worries, just take your time. I have been a bit busy too....That "Background" section can definitely be shortened...You know me, I can only "draft" how things should look like, but I suck when it comes to phrasing. :)--TerryAlex (talk) 05:40, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Crayon Pop filmography

Have you considered merging the list of CP's reality shows back into a filmography section on the CP main article and mentioning the individuals' acting roles in prose? The rest of the content of the CP filmography article is the dreaded variety show bonanza. :) I'm AFDing the rest of the kpop filmographies I found, but since you are the main contributor to CP's, I thought I'd float the idea by you first to see if we just merge & redirect by consensus without an AFD. =D Shinyang-i (talk) 05:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I've been meaning to do that, so I'll go ahead and do it now. I'm the main contributor and I doubt anyone will object. Random86 (talk) 06:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Would you look at this?

I rewrote the lead on Shinhwa discography, something I've not done before. Will you read it over and tell me if it sounds okay? By looking at a few FL discographies, it looked like it wasn't necessary to provide a reference for a simple statement of "The album Blah Blah was released in 2005", so I didn't. Anyway, whenever you're not too busy I'd be thankful for a read-through. :) Thanks! Shinyang-i (talk) 01:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

The lead is well-written and informative. Good job! Random86 (talk) 06:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

F.T. Island or FTISLAND

F.T. Island - This article does not add any pictures. I do not understand why you removed my changes. They are not unfounded. Official website team says that it is FTISLAND, not F.T. Island. In my opinion should standardize information everywhere.

Gu86, the copyvio warning is from January, when you uploaded non-free images. Read WP:BANDNAME and WP:MOSTM for information about naming conventions. That kind of page move requires discussion because it appears to go against the MOS. Also, remember to sign your post next time. Random86 (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Random86, where do I start discussions? (talk) 23:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I wrote:

So far here was F.T. Island, but official pages of the band tell a different story. It is FTISLAND. I want standardize information everywhere. Is it possible? I know that this community has its own rules and regulations:

- "Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn)." - in this case does not apply to logos and album art. This is name this band. logo is different.

- "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one." - i understand this, but FTISLAND is common, is an international name.

In Wikipedia is new word, but this style already in widespread use on many websites on the Internet. Official website team says that it is FTISLAND, not F.T. Island. In my opinion should standardize information everywhere.

In order not to conflict with the name of the FTISLAND... I will find all articles on wikipedia of wrongly adopted the name and I will try to re-structure... Of course, if the decision will be positive to change to FTISLAND and the possibility of creating redirects.

I am waiting for a response.

(talk) 00:09, 15 April 2015

@Gu86: If you want the name changed to "FTISLAND", you must follow the steps at WP:RM#CM. The Manual of Style discourages all caps. That's why we have Big Bang instead of BIGBANG (which is used officially). Besides, "F.T. Island" and "FT Island" are in use by reliable sources, as well as "FTISLAND". Random86 (talk) 05:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi, on a sidenote: while I understand the naming conventon for the band page, Memory in FTISLAND is actually the title of an album, which is not spelled as F.T. Island on the album cover. [1] I thought names of artworks should be cited as is, even if they are misspelled, if that's their original title, it should be referenced as such. We don't change wrong spellings of movie titles, either, do we? See Who Framed Roger Rabbit where a question mark is missing grammatically or Law Abiding Citizen, which badly needs a hyphen, or Two Weeks Notice which needs one too. :) The list could go on forever. How is Memory in FTISLAND different, when there are clearly no dots in the title? Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 08:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey Teemeah, I get what you're saying. Perhaps the page could be moved to Memory in FTIsland? I think WP:ALLCAPS makes it pretty clear that all caps is not allowed, and the album cover actually says MEMORY IN FTISLAND. Random86 (talk) 01:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

That could be a nice compromise. --Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 09:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Got7's member section

a chart keeps getting added in on the got7 page's member section against the consensus of the page editors and general standards for such sections. I have tried to open discussion in the pages talk but am getting no response...I'm not sure if I should put in a request to lock the page or simply wait them out.Peachywink (talk) 04:27, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Stop deleting stuffs

By the way can you stop deleting stuffs. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fx Only One (talk • contribs) 19:55, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Fx Only One: You should probably read Wikipedia:Verifiability and WP:KO/RS. If you add unsourced information, it can be deleted. Also, please remember to sign your post, and put new posts at the bottom of the page. Random86 (talk) 04:40, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

I really don't care about what you think you're doing. But the previous format was in depth and provides information to users from all over. I read that hangul, and so do a bunch other people. Some don't have time or care to read a whole article on one artist or whatever. They just want a quick overview of groups, and that format is perfect as is. It tells you quick stuff, 긑 . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazandre (talk • contribs) 07:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

oh and more, summer is coming right? I will make it a project to revert every article that was like that, to the grid version. and I will do it twice a day, for as many days as necessary, until you realize, we don't want, or need your help, go get a real job.