User talk:Mitchumch/sandbox

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I would like your input on a proposed article list. The proposed article list is a list of campaigns that were part of the civil rights movement. The list would not be restricted to the southern United States. As an example for proposed list, see List of World War II battles. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Mitchumch (talk) 05:32, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I could consult with you on that. The tricky problem will be to set a definition and parameters for "campaign." Brucehartford (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for responding. I agree with your assessment regarding the tricky problem. At this point, I am apprehensive about my capacity to determine the parameter and definition for "campaign." Compiling the list is a way for me to determine the proper scope of the article list. What are your thoughts?

I've also sought the input of User:Randy Kryn. He suggested I create a sandbox page with the proposed list article. I have done so at User:Mitchumch/sandbox. It is a skeletal outline for the proposal. The list is unimpressive in appearance. First, I have included articles currently listed in the Template:African-American Civil Rights Movement. Next, I will began to add the civil conflicts listed on the Civil Rights Movement Veterans website in the History & Timeline section. From there I will began reviewing scholarly/academic sources and add entries as I go along.

I welcome any entries you think should be included. Please feel free to add them. Mitchumch (talk) 04:49, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at your sandbox, the term "campaign" in your context is confusing to me because I wouldn't normally consider a speech by the president or a conference to be a "campaign." Perhaps "notable events" or "notable activities" related to the CRM would be more inclusive than "campaign."

As to the tricky question of which events/activities are significant enough to include in your list, perhaps rather than you trying to build a list of "significant" events/activities, instead you list events/activities that already have been chronicled or that in your opinion deserve an article. That's a subtle distinction, but it seems to me the advantage is that you don't have to decide what is, or isn't, significant, you let other people do that by whether or not they choose to create or suggest an article.

In looking at your sandbox list, I suggest you consider grouping components withing general articles rather than separate articles for each component. For example, you propose: St. Augustine movement: 1963–1964, St. Augustine school integration, St. Augustine sit-ins, Woolworths sit-in: July 18, 1963, St. Augustine night marches, St. Augustine selective buying campaign:, Ponce Motor Lodge, Monson Motor Lodge swimming pool incident. But for me, all of those events were in a continuous timeline by the same group of people so I see them as components of the "St. Augustine movement: 1963–1964" that should be included in an article about that movement rather than have separate articles. Brucehartford (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct that a speech or conference is not a movement. I've removed those two entries to reduce confusion. I still want to develop a list of campaigns or movements.

In response to your thoughts about the tricky question, I agree totally.

I definitely agree that individual events/activities that were part of a local movement should go into a single article. Let me clarify the reason I'm creating a list of events/activities for a single locality. I was making a sublist for later use. Afterwards, I can pick a local movement, work with existing content throughout wikipedia, and combine the material into one article page and build it up from that point. I've removed redlinks where no article or section within an article exists to remove confusion.

One more thing you will eventually notice about the list. My objective with this list is to also capture the counteroffensive campaigns of movement activists or participants. If I find a wikipedia article, then I will list those entries within the proper locality.

On a separate note, I have a question about a conflict of claims on the 1956 timeline article at CRMV. The "Clinton, Tennessee — Desegregation of First White School (August)" section states Clinton High School was the first to desegregate. Howvever, the Before Clinton or Little Rock, Oak Ridge Integration Made History article from Knoxville News Sentinel contradicts that claim. What are your thoughts?

If I've misunderstood any points, please let me know. Mitchumch (talk) 10:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't known about Oak Ridge, I'll review the Timeline article and revise it, thanks. It's noteworthy, though, that at that time, Oak Ridge was governed by the AEC (a federal agency) rather than local elected officials who only had "advisory" power. So the Oak Ridge situation was, to some degree, similar to the desegregation of military-run grade schools on southern military bases that were desegregated by command order in 1953.

On another point, Mitch, since developing this list is your project, perhaps it would be better for you to create your own User and Talk pages and run discussions from there. I don't mind that the initial discussion has been started on my page, but since it's your project, your page and your Sandbox is where it should be held. Brucehartford (talk) 15:23, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, good. I'll "watch" this page.

Hi guys, I haven't read the latest entries here, or the page itself, mostly because of time (have to sign off again now) but also to give Mitch the time to enact his vision. Will pay closer attention, thanks, and back later. Randy Kryn 12:49, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Organizations?

Do you want to include the major organizations in your list, or only events/campaigns? I added a few, and a few Alabama. I'll add more when I have time.

I also started adding some multi-state campaigns.

Brucehartford (talk) 15:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]