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Osama Bin Laden

I think that a more current parallel example of a bogeyman that all corrupt regimes rely on might be Osama Bins Laden.

Goldstein is a bogeyman, but I don't think that there is any comparison with Bin Laden. More importantly it makes little sense to compare a modern figure with the much earlier book character.122.59.167.152 (talk) 07:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

O'Brien and the book

The artical says "O'Brien also claims to have collaborated in writing the book himself, which supports the idea that Goldstein was fabricated by the Party." however O'Brien states, after winston asks "they got you too?" something along the lines of "they got me a long time ago" which could be read to say he was in the brotherhood and was rehabilitated to tow the party line and thus he could have had a part in writing the book as part of the brotherhood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.241.242 (talk) 23:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is an interesting consideration, but O'Brien actually says that he collaborated on the book, and that no one person ever writes anything. Maybe he wrote the book after his conversion, as an understanding of how people that are "sick" can better understand others that need to be healed. I do think the idea that O'Brien was "converted" has a lot of traction in 1984. Sliceofmiami (talk) 04:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hackers

The character "Cereal Killer" gives his name as Emmanuel Goldstein when questioned by the teacher, as he isn't supposed to be in the class...it isn't his given name, it's just an alias. Wording should reflect that it's not actually the character's given name, as his invocation of the name (a fictional fictional character) is intended to be ironic. 63.252.23.200 (talk) 17:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eduard Bernstein

Might he also be a reference to Bernstein, the creator of so-called Marxist Revisionism (and criticized by Marxists for steering Marxism in an unorthodox direction)? Orwell's Goldstein, as a potentially founding member and orthodox English Socialist, later a victim of Ingsoc's revisionism, is an ironic inversion of Bernstein's pre-1917 critiques of Marxist theory. Or maybe I'm just grasping for straws after seeing a superficial resemblance of names. D Boland (talk) 20:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Emma Goldman

Was wondering if the name was inspired by Emma Goldman Alexopth1512 (talk) 22:45, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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