Chuckmuck

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A chuckmuck is a belt-hung leather and metal tinder pouch used to make fire . It is a distinct design of a flint-and-steel type fire-lighter. As well as a functional item it is used as ethnic jewellery amongst Tibetans and Mongolians.

File:A chuckmuck- mechag type (Tibetan)- animal style with silver baby snow lion and tiger and coral boss. photo Stone Routes.JPG

chuckmuck

Description

The chuckmuck is constructed from a stiff leather purse with a thick curved steel striker attached by rivets to the base of the purse. The sides and flap of the purse are either sewn or fixed by ornamental metal plates or small plaques. Inside are kept a piece of flint and a little tinder (pulped woody material such as plant roots). On the top fold a thin metal plate with 1 - 3 small hooks allows the pouch to be hung from the belt with a chuck muck strap: a chain, leather thong or embroidered cloth.

Chuckmucks vary in size and decoration, with the circular boss in the centre of the flap, which operates as a hook to keep the purse closed, sometimes being decorated by a semi-precious stone such as coral or turquoise. Other decorations on the mounts are in silver, brass or iron with geometric patterns, floral designs, Tibetan motifs, or in the ‘animal style’. The steel striker is occasionally engraved: with two dragons. or Chinese characters. The University of Washington database contains a collection of Fire Steels including early chuckmucks on plates 45-48 from several countries.

The chuckmuck is hung from the belt in both Mongolian and Tibetan traditional dress for men and women and for this reason it is sometimes described as a Chatelaine (chain) as a jewellery set with strap ornaments similar to the British museum example. It is sometimes accompanied by a chuckmuch style 'purse' in exactly the same style only lacking the curved steel striker.

History

The container for a flint-and-steel kit can come in two main forms; the tinderbox and the tinder pouch. Both types were in common worldwide use before 1850 and it can be difficult to categorise between them. In many parts of the world up to the start of the 20th century a leather tinder pouch would simply be a bag that contained flint and steel as a basic necessity of life.In many regions it was a popular form of 'striking a light' for periods in the 18th and 19th centuries but slowly dropped out of use following the introduction of the match. The form of the chuckmuck, from the 17th century or earlier with it's decorated stiff leather purse make it a design classic..

The chuckmuck design appears in many cultures stretching from the Silk Road to the Himalaya and as far as Japan.

It is not known where or when the design originated but it was manufactured locally in several countries in Central Asia. One known, still active, hub of metalwork was the area between Lanzhou, Xining and Labrang, the NE part of Amdo which incorporates the Amdo Tibetans, some Mongol regions, the Salar, the Hui and Han Chinese. In Tibet, apart from Lhasa and a very few other towns, only Derge was renowned for the quality of it's metalwork.

The 19th century growth in museums and world expositions in several countries led to many exhibits on the theme of man making fire and several of these included examples of chuckmucks. As a result many museums and old collections contain chuckmucks and they occasionally appear in antique auctions,

In 1926 a British museum of Fire-Making Appliances catalogued 52 of these chuckmucks and illustrated 11. "Of all tinder-pouches, by far the handsomest and most interesting are those commonly known by this name, which form an exceeding well-marked group. All come from one part of the world covering Tibet, the Himalayan region, Mongolia and Northern China." The whole museum collection was transferred to the Science Museum in 1937.

Museums worldwide today classify them in a variety of different ways; "pouch (tinder flint)" "tinder pouch ('mecha')' fire-striker, flint-steel set etc and rarely mention the chuckmuck design to distinguish it from other pouches.

Etymology

Chuckmuck is derived via the British Indian word chakmak from the Turkish word for flint 'çakmaktaşı' and the word for tinderbox 'iskav çakmak kutusu'. In effect the turkic origin word was simplified and incorporated as slang in many languages of Central Asia. When encountered in British India during contact with Himalayan Tibetan tribes it became identified as a particular form of fire-steel - the chuckmuck. Since this coincided with the introduction of the friction match the function of the tinderbox and tinder pouch gradually became unnecessary and by the end of the 19th century only it's use as ethnic jewellery by Mongols and Tibetans kept the chuckmuck in daily use.

Chuckmuck (occasionally chuck-muck or chuck muck)

For a few decades in mid 19th century chuckmuck and chakmak were used almost interchangeably as the ‘Indian’ word for any type of fire-steel.

The first known use of of the word chuckmuck comes from 1843 from British India: “the coolness of the British soldier is shewn by his sitting down and lighting his chuckmuck and enjoying the solace of his pipe while the arrows of death were bustling around his ears”

In central Indiia, NW of Mumbai, a British officer describes a local guide “Round his waist was a broad leather belt, hung round with numerous pouches…and a chuckmuck, or leather bag, with flint, steel and tinder.” This would best be described as a tinder pouch. and, that of the pipe smoking soldiers a simple metal tube with striker

A camping book in 1871 details “ a very convenient and portable means of carrying fire, sold under the name of ‘strike-a-light” or chuckmuck”; it is formed of a brass tube of 1in. caliber and 3in. in length, which has a cap and a sliding bottom to it : it is filled of tinder….it contains also a gun flint or bit of agate, and it’s chain passes through an oval of steel or case-hardened iron” costing around a shilling - clearly one of the plethora of short-lived metal tinderbox designs.

However after the 1889 publication of Hindu-koh by Donald Macintyre (VC), a prominent British Gurkha officer, containing the first known illustration and description of a chuckmuck , the word became more strictly defined in academic circles. Macintyre actually made his hunting trip in the Himalaya on which the book is based in 1853-4 and was a prominent fellow of the Royal Geographical Society and other Indian societies.

The museum catagorisation of chuckmuck dates from this time. After that all academic descriptions, where they existed, catalogued in English used the word to apply to the classic design of the chuckmuck. Chakmak does not appear to have been used as a descriptive term outside India. .

Chuckmuck was defined as an Anglo-Indian word,

It continues to be used in books in English about the history of fire-lighting

Chakmak

Catholic missionaries had a presence in Western Tibet from 1624 to 1640, The initial reports of the Jesuit António de Andrade including dictionaries were supplemented by many others in the 19th century on the eastern fringes of the Tibetan plateau leading to a 1899 dictionary with 'lcags ma’; variante ‘lcags mag’ . .

In Tibetan ‘lcags mag’ pronounced chagmag (slang, vulgar for ‘me lcags’ ) Sándor Kőrösi Csoma

In Persian and Arabic chakmak means flint or fire-striker An early example dated 1716 is from Persia where the Islamic inscription reads “The Fire steel (chuck muck) of his heart is so filled with sparks that his charged sight intensifies the burning”

William Moorcroft, extensively catalogued the Himalayan regions around Ladakh in the 1820’s, noted “Every man carries a knife hanging from his girdle, and a chakmak,or steel for striking a light” . As he was describing Tibetan dress these were of the classic chuckmuck design..

Chakmak, as an Indian word, was widely used in reports and books in British India. “In Ladakh both men and women wore in their waste-clothes or girdles a chakmak (or leather case ornamented with brass, containing a flint, steel and tinder)”

In 1891 William Woodville Rockhill recorded some of the language of the Salar people, located near Lanzhou between the Tibetan plateau and Mongolia. Salar is an archaic Turkic dialect. The Salar word 'cha’-ma' derives from Osmanli Turkish chakmak

In Uyghur language, another Turkic branch language spoken in western China the word for flint is 'chaqmaq teshi'

In the Kyrgyz language as noted by a 1899 Danish expedition, the "apparatus for striking fire is called Chakmak. "It is possible that flint is found by this lake of Chakmaktinkul and that the name may arise therefrom in relation to the striking of fire from flint".

In Nepal a traditional Kukri features two little knives attached at the back of the sheath . One is called a Chakmak. It is blunt on both sides and it works like a knife sharpener or when struck on a lime stone creates sparks to start fire.

In other languages

• In Tibetan ‘me lcags’ often transliterated as mechag

• In Mongolian ‘kete’

• In Japanese 'kiseruzutsu' or 'hiuchi-bukuro'

• In Chinese C.19th dialects from Northern China (citation needed)