Talk:List of Lost characters

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Jason?

Has it actually been confirmed that Ana-Lucia's shooter was the same guy that purchased jewelery from Sawyer in "The Long Con"? Also, the same character is referred to by two different surnames (McCormick in "Collision", Alder in "Two for the Road"). IIRC, he doesn't actually appear onscreen in "TFTR" either. Pumpkingrrl 23:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The oriental doctor

That the dr on the orientation videos has differences: Something to check for this is the date at the beginning of the videos. I remember them both giving you dates of recording. Is the prosphetic one after the one where both of his arms move? This could be important information I believe, if the prosphetic one was before (as I suspect) it could greatly help with linking the foundation to the others.--Josquius 20:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of "Connections" sections added to char bios

An anon editor just added a "Connections" section to nearly every character's bio. And I just reverted every single one of those, because they struck me as redundant and/or not notable (e.g., characters sleeping in the same hotel the night before the flight: not notable). I didn't leave a comment on each bio page, but I'd of course be interested in hearing from anyone who disagrees with these edits. -- PKtm 22:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The anon editor also vandalized some pages today. Added something about oral sex/being a sex offender to Walt Lloyd. I reverted that, and added a warning to the user's Talk page. I agree the "Connections" section was unnecessary. Flummery 22:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Episode counts

I added one to every individual character's page - i.e. episodes that they do not appear in, or if they are a recurring character episodes that they did. However, all of them were removed. Do you think they should STAY or GO? And give a reason why, please. 154.20.217.225 19:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These sections were pure fancruft, and therefore had to be removed. Additionally there would have been much debate over to what degree an appearance counts as an appearance (i.e. seeing someone in the background or having a speaking role). Over the duration of the show, these lists would have become long, and offer no real knowledge about the show. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 19:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree, and Jtrost just beat me to the reverting. Similar to the Connections stuff that someone added, this adds nothing of note to the bios. -- PKtm 20:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Leslie Arzt

He's a doctor, and so are Christian and Jack and they both have the title "Dr.," and so should Arzt, so stop changing it. Or, if you have some valid reasohn why it shouldn't be, discuss it instead of changing it. 154.20.217.225 20:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As the paragraph states and as I recall, he is a biology teacher not a doctor. -- Wikipedical 22:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He's not a medical doctor, but doesn't he have a phd in science or something? 154.20.217.225 05:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's never really made clear on the show. All you really know is that he wants people to refer to him as "Dr. Arzt". Pumpkingrrl 06:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Rutherford

Did he actually appear in "Man of Science, Man of Faith," or was he just mentioned? --154.20.217.225 20:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's a guy rolled into the room on a stretcher during the course of the action. I have no idea whether it's the same guy from Abandoned. Pumpkingrrl 06:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he appears in both episodes. The first as a dying patient in the emergecy room where Jack is working, the second as a corpse in an open casket wake attended by Shannon and Boone. Rillian 12:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And he was uncredited both times! 154.20.217.225 06:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Separate Page for Danielle Rousseau

There was a heated debate about this a few months back but someone explain to me why Danielle Rousseau does not warrant her own page. She has appeared as frequently and as prominently as Rose, Bernard, and Desmond. The only difference I can see being she has not had a flashback episode (yet).--T smitts 02:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As well, she's easily been seen as much as 'Henry Gale', who has his own article but no flashbacks. Radagast 23:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you've answered your own question. Editors feel that those with flashback episodes warrant their own pages. As for Henry Gale, it is known that he will be in the main cast in Season 3. -- Wikipedical 03:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should give her her own page. She might appear 30 times and have no flashbacks yet still be here? I think she deserves her own, but that's just me.- Puppet125

I agree that Danielle Rousseau needs their own page. They have been in many episodes, and could have flashbacks in the next seasons. Nick 8 20:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Goodwin

I do not think that this character deserves a space on this page. He appeared in two episodes, one of them as a corpse! I think that we should just leave him in the Others' page, but not here. --154.20.217.225 16:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Every character should be listed here. Although Goodwin only appeared in a few episodes, he is still a minor character, and was important to the story. Nick 8 20:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Wickmund, not Wickman

The article has now been changed so "Wickman" has been replaced by the correct name "Wickmund". While the low quality of the orientation film's audio makes it sound like "Wickman" the subtitles clearly state that his name is "Mark Wickmund". (If you have the episode recorded on a DVR, check it for yourself if you don't believe me.) Also, if that's not enough proof, at Comic-con 2006 they sold/gave out these DHARMA Initiative orientation flashcards. They also say that his name is "Mark Wickmund". Nick 8 01:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Real names and other mentions

In the section containing the list of the main characters, someone has changed Walt's name, from Walt Lloyd to Walter "Walt" Lloyd. I'll be reverting it to Walt Lloyd, for the reasons detailed below. Please fell free to add your comments so that if any disagreement occurs about this we can arrive at a consensus.

1) The first reason is one of consistency between the "official" real name of each character, as that name is written in each character's main article (not necessarily in the article's title, but in the article's introductory paragraph and in the statistical info), and in the short list of the same real names written in the list of the same characters in the "Characters of Lost" article. The "official" names of the characters are kept consistent between those articles, as this can be verified when comparing the general list with the respective characters main articles. When new information make it necessary to modify a character's name, the main article is modified and the general list is modified accordingly. See for example the evolution of Kate's official name in the articles. I believe that a change to the real name of a character as it appears in that character's main article should be proposed in the main article's discussion page. If such a change makes it into the main article, then the entry in the general list can, and should, be adjusted accordingly. In the case of Kate, the main article currently (and correctly) identifies her as Katherine "Kate" Austen, where "Katherine Austen" is, to our best knowledge, known to be her real name, and "Kate" is known to be her common nickname on the island. In the case of Walt, Walt's real name is currently given, and in fact has always been given, in the main article as "Walt Lloyd". I am of the opinion that, to the best of our knowledge and in the absence of compelling evidence that a change should be made, Walt's official identification in the main article is correct, but should anyone be of the opinion that a change might be necessary, I think that reasons should be given in the main article's discussion page. The proposed change may eventually be made or not, but in all cases, I believe that the mention of the real name appearing in the general list should exactly reflect the mention of that name as it is given in the main article. As far as I can tell, this is in fact the case for all of the main characters and I see no reason to treat the case of Walt differently. Any difference between the two should be fixed by adjusting the general list to conform with the main article. IMHO, this consideration of consistency should, in itself, settle the matter, at least as far as the general list is concerned.

2) Walt's first name was left somewhat ambiguous during season 1 and until the second episode of season 2. Nobody ever calls Walt "Walter" in any circumstances. In season 1, following episode 14, it was reasonable to believe that his real name might have been "Walter" because, several months before his birth, Michael speaks of his father, Walter, and at that point Susan muses with the possibility of naming her future son "Walter Lloyd". We were not told for sure how it turned out. They may well have decided to name him "Walt". "Walter" would normally seem to be the more traditional name, and "Walt" a nickname for it, but there are also people who are actually named "Walt". For what it's worth, at that point, I would have gambled on it being "Walter". Things change in episode 2 of season 2, Adrift, when we are shown on screen Susan's legal petition, filed during the legal battle between her and Michael, and where Walt is officially identified as "Walt". So, between Susan's simple pregnacy musings of S1E14 and the official legal identification of S2E2, which should we prefer? Also keeping in mind that Walt is never called anything other that "Walt". It can be arguable. But I believe that when all the information is taken into consideration the balance of the evidence seems to favor "Walt" more than "Walter". One could argue that the legal document shown during the show are just props and may contain mistakes (actually, they do contain one typo in Walt's birth date), but I think that we cannot ignore what we were directly shown in the show, at least not in the absence of compelling evidence to the contrary. And what we were shown in the show as being Walt's real first name is "Walt". We may like it or not, but that is not the question. In conclusion, I am of the opinion that Walt's official name of "Walt Lloyd", as it currently appears in Walt's main article, should be left like it is and that the general list should simply reflect that name, in exactly the same manner as that list reflects all the other main characters real names from their respective main articles. Asclepias 22:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the actual dialogue from "Special" (Episode 14) which makes clear that his name was intended to be Walter, and it's shortened to the common Walt (as it commonly done for children):

MICHAEL: Yeah, I'll get back to painting eventually. Meanwhile, you can support me and Walt in a manner to which we'll soon become accustomed.

SUSAN: Walt, huh?

MICHAEL: I'd like to do that, you know, name him after my dad.

SUSAN: Walter. Walter Lloyd.

MICHAEL: Lloyd? Oh, all right. That's why you won't marry me. It's not that you think marriage is too prosaic, you just want him to have your last name.

SUSAN: Hey, you want me to agree to Walter, or what?

I think it's unnecessary to worry whether his "legal name" on the show is actually the abbreviated form, as is as likely that the writers didn't even think it through as much as the discussion above-- it's just not that critical, particularly as the characters may be "off the Island" permanently.--Leflyman^Talk 16:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Main Characters

Shouldn't we add Henry Gale and Desmond to the list? --Peephole 12:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When we have official confirmation that they'll be series regulars (actors' credits in every episode), that would be appropriate. Radagast 19:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Why are the Others' bios here since we have a dwhole page about them? Pictureuploader 18:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very good question. Maybe we should merge the Others' bios into Others (Lost) and delete the ones here. Other ideas? -- Wikipedical 01:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I like them here, because then all of the minor characters are on one page. --Demon Hog 06:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

yeah but isnt it repetative for them to be in two places?? they should go. 64.14.248.62 20:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Walt is in Season 1 and 2

By saying that he was only in Season 1 is indicating that he no longer appeared on the show after Season 1 which is wrong. He leaves the island at the end of Season 2.

I know Boone appeared in Season 2 as well but that is different since he died and appears in a flashback.

Walt has and still is (as of August 1st) being listed under the Main Characters on the official website (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/cast/78275.html), unlike Boone.

So lets change Walt to Season 1-2, please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.167.180.183 (talk • contribs) .

The list is for seasons in which the actors played regular characters; Walt was not a regular during Season 2, making only a few guest appearances. He's not dead, so unlike Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia, etc, he has the potential to become a regular again, but that would not appear on his entry until the regular appearances begin again. What ABC considers a Main Character does not necessarily correspond to what is currently a regular. Radagast 22:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Mars

Is there a connection between this character and [Keith Mars]? I know [Veronica Mars] has shown the lost numbers, so this could be a nod from one show's authors to the other. Anyone heard anything about this? --Phelan 02:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]