Talk:Whaling in Japan
Well, how should we proceed? Best way is to provide facts first, that is to show the current Japanese whale hunt. Then mention/describe the issue/politics of research whaling.
After that, it can move to politics of whaling in Japan. Certainly, it is valid to mention accusation of vote buying. This should be well balanced by mention of U.S. and other green movement doing something similar way back. We could then deal with Japanese application for aboliginal subsistent whaling, japan's block for artic side in retaliation. This can be followed by stating that at least from japanese perspective, it is considered as "cultural war" and not environmental/conservation issue. You might want to mention some insensitive comment some japanese official made such as "sea cockroach" comments. Well, I have to say, this is pretty much identical to my format. And I have to say I listed most issues which is relevant from Japanese perspective. If you think some other relevant issues are missing, let me know. FWBOarticle 06:59, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I actually think we are quite close in terms of content. I forsee the problems are likely to be in terms of finding a phrasing and presentation and feel that we both find neutral. Pcb21| Pete 07:34, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Feel free to merge these two. FWBOarticle 03:16, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
ah, since reseach whaling doesn't come into the category of commercial whaling, merging/confusing two category by putting reseach whaling within the periof of moratorium on "commercial whaling" is not fair description of the Japanese catch IMO.FWBOarticle 02:27, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- There is no consensus to call it research whaling. It is unambigious the whaling by Japan that has occured during the morartorium era. Pcb21| Pete 07:33, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- If you want to be so pedantic, "moratorium" is not strictly IWC term. That is why it always come with "" in IWC site. In Japan, it is translated as temoral suspencion. If you take off "research" then "moratorium" will come off as well. My suggestion is to described it as japanese whaling under "IWC research permit". And to pretend that "moratorium" means no whaling is grossly inaccuate because it was only applied for particular type of whaling. How about "Japanese Whaling under IWC Research permit since suspencion of commercial whaling in 1987" Gosh, it is boring title, isn't it.FWBOarticle
Alternative is "Japanese Whaling since 1987". The controversy over "scientific" research will fully discussed in the article anyway.
History of whaling in Antartic
I was reading through this, and noticed that the history section was particulaly small, and didn't mention when Japan started sending whaling ships to the Southern Ocean. Does anyone know when this started? It probably should be mentioned, as it is one of the most contentious parts of Japan's whaling program. --Apyule 02:46, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Intro is too long
Majority of intro content should be transfered. FWBOarticle
Feel free to split controversy section. There must be a lot to talk about for some people. :) FWBOarticle
- Welcome back. Pcb21 Pete 01:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
About Whale Meat and Environmental Toxins
In this section of the article I found some parts which don't meet my personal experience (I live in Tokyo). For instance, the article says "minke whale [...] is often available for free tasting to Tokyo lunchtime shoppers". It's a year and a half I live here and I've never seen any. My wife, who lives in Tokyo for 25 years, never seen any either. Whale meat does exist, but it's not common and surely not for free. So I think this section would need to cite its sources or need rephrasing. The same goes for the part where it says "The wisdom of the Japanese custom of supplying school children with whale meat in school lunches is therefore extremely questionable.". I never heard of anything like that and my wife never got fed any whale meat in her life as a student: I think this part should cite sources too and/or rephrase, because if japanese people do really feed whale meat to students, it's almost certainly not a custom.