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Well it appears that the Russian users are fleering up as well, probably for the same reason! Luis, I don't think the Russian editors would be POV-pushing on neutral articles, I actually think mikka has good intentions. He wants the article to be NPOV. If the article was already 100% neutral, him and Ghirla wouldn't have objections to it! Perhaps you could get Kober involved, he can usually find compromises pretty quickly. Until then, relaaaaaaaaaaaaaax. :) —Khoikhoi 05:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Khoi. When trying to eliminate an alleged pro-Georgian POV, the Russian users effectively push their own POV (I wouldn't say pro-Abkhaz POV, because their edits are more anti-Georgian, than pro-Abkhaz) and post rather offensive comments which Luis has already removed. I think, it was a good solution as it prevented a likely extremely hot dispute. I was very outraged when reading their comments that Georgians lost the war because they were not good fighters (how about Russian air and naval forces bombing Georgians almost daily?) and I had to make a titanic effort to quell my anger. Mikka also accuses Luis of Russophobia and claims he (Luis) is a "sock of a Georgian nationalist" [1]. Is this really a good intention?

Futhermore, the Russian editors consider Western sources used in the article Russophobic and refuse to accept them. Following this logic, Russian and Abkhaz sources are supposed to be Westernophobic+Georgianophobic and Georgian sources Russophobic+Abkhazophobic. So what's the way out of this?

Then they will claim that Russia is not a conflict party, but a mediator! Btw, Luis, have you already signed this petition?:)--Kober 06:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Luis, I hope that incident with mikka and ^co won't discourage you from continuing your wonderful work on wiki. We need a friend like you very mach. Thanks a lot, --Kober 16:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll always be by your side Ldingley 19:45, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Mr. Ldingley, I would like to discuss with you some aspects of Georgian-Abkhaz conflict if you don't mind and I would like to do it through some other media (like MSN or other). If you feel positive about this, please let me know, I would appreciate it! --Zone 08:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zone, we can do it here. I dont have MSN Ldingley 19:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

P:RUS/NEW

I have put the following [2] on the Mikka's talk page. According to my experience Mikka is one of the best contributors of Wiki, I am sure he did not mean what you think he wrote. I have replaced the offending message anyway. abakharev 15:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No!

Luis, please don't let one conflict turn you off to Wikipedia. I get discouraged all the time, but if I just take a short wikibreak for awhile and come back I feel refreshed and ready to start again. I will keep an eye on that article as will Kober. I love your photos so much that I decided to add one to my userpage. Hope you don't mind.

Anyways, trust me—I've been in nastier situations before but the most important thing is not to give up. Take a break for however long you feel is necessary, but just make sure to come back! —Khoikhoi 20:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can make a synthesis of it.--140.203.12.4 06:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Georgian discrimination

Do you have some materil on this topic? --Georgianis 12:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please stay Luis, I would like to know you better You are a very nice person. I'v seen your pictures. Please let's do something together. I can learn from you if you let me to. If I tell you that we need you now more than ever, do you trust me? Now, it's critical. Now, it's time to change something. You have good friends here, I would like to be one of you. Pls let me be. Don't ruin my chance.--Georgianis 17:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad and hope from all my heart that will be a short wikibreak as you said. Take care, I'll be here when you'll come back, and so as Kober and other friends of yours. Please don't let yourself influenced by other, you're strong and together we're the best team! Best regards, we wait you. --Georgianis 17:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I am just wondering if we should modify the title. Abkhazs declared independence when there was a chaos in Georgia and basically thugs were controlling the country. Georgians are not minorities, they lived in Abkhazia for 4,000 + years. Northern Caucasians are minorities there who somehow (of course with a big support of Russia) kicked out everybody except of Abkhazs and Russians. This however is a facism, so Georia is very democratic country where minorities have lots of rights. They also kicked out lots of Greeks and Jews from the region, so can totally call it Anti-Simetic and Anti-Greek facistic act. Another argument would be that if Georgians discriminate Northern Caucasians, why Gamsakhurdia supported Ichkeria? Obviously, it is a matter of politics and political ideology than the etnithity and ethnic ideology. Russians enjoyed watching Terrorists playing Soccer with the heads of dead Georgians.

My point is if we should add a category of Anti-Semitism and Anti-Greek discrimination? in the Georgian-ABkhaz conflict article. Thanks a lot Sosomk 16:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Luis

How exactly should I react with this? Now, they want to eliminate/block all of the opponents. It was very touching your message on my talk page. We will work, we will work. I'm sure. Thank you. --Georgianis 20:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abkhaz guvernment --> Abkhaz authorities

Luis, what do you say about this shift? After all, there isn't any Abkhaz guvernment since no country had recognized this region. It's more NPOV to say Abkhaz authorities.--Georgianis 20:55, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:) I've send you yesterday an Email. --Georgianis 07:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let's move the article to Russian-Georgian war in Abkhazia

Let's move the article to Russian-Georgian war in Abkhazia. What do you say? --Georgianis 09:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If we say like this it's more closed to reality. Actually Russia was in conflict with Georgia. I found this formulation very used in Internet.--

Georgianis | (t) 17:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blind revert from Alex

Blind revert from Alex I posted a message on the talk page as well as on his talk page

The issues are on:

At the same time, taking into account increasing imperial tendencies in Russia and interests of well-known destructive forces, trying to increase their influence in the region, situation can be become more and more dangerous and harmful to the western interests also. Similar tendencies in other former Soviet republics (i.e. in Azerbaijan) shows this evidently.--Georgianis 13:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Luis, if you ask me what I've learned from you till now my answer is this one: your great fair-playness. Now, this is not to be found unfortunatelly to our colleagues from Russia. But we don't give up as you told me, we will work and demonstrate that we are gentlemens with style. Not like them. Take care, G. --Georgianis 14:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just reading your mail. Thank you so much. I'm writing back right now. I let you this note here just to see that I'm online. From G.,--Georgianis 14:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've send you an Email. --Georgianis 15:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you say about my sig? :) Georgianis | (t) 16:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand and I think you're right. -- Georgianis | (t) 18:02, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Donnerstag is doing a great job. He's doing a TO-Do list. I will take into account your advices. I will not add that on the list. However I'm interested to see first their reaction, if any..-- Georgianis | (t) 18:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just added some new issus very well documentated from a book. -- Georgianis | (t) 20:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Box

Luis, pls see the box :) Georgianis | (t) 20:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This user supports Georgia's bid to join European Union.

Well, Luis, you inspired me. You made it that for NATO and I said I will do it for EU :) Our friends are so happy to see Georgia in NATO & EU. Georgianis | (t) 20:34, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Luis, their strategy is to edit war with you. Don't give them this chance. All the best, Geo :) Georgianis | (t) 20:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shevy

No, keep it up. :D If he keeps removing it we'll replace it with a more famous Georgian. ;) —Khoikhoi 00:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It sure is. See this edit.

Here's his website. ;) —Khoikhoi 00:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He does, however, seem to have an impressive résumé... —Khoikhoi 00:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any connection to Zurab? Was there ever a point when Stalin was popular among the Georgians? What about when he first came to power? —Khoikhoi 01:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia

Luis, can you please look at Georgia? I would support a move of the article to Georgia as well. What do you say? You are the best Luis. Georgianis | (t) 14:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tajikistan Civil War

Hey Luis, do you, by chance have any images from the Tajikistan Civil War? Thanks! -- Clevelander 14:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do I look like get-images.com? hehehe i'm joking my dear Clev :) Let me ask some lunatics who went there, example: Mike McCormick (another idiot Scotsman, who thinks he is English). :) Ldingley 15:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'll be sure to credit him properly and everything. BTW, what are these images exactly of? Scenes from the civil war or the 1990 Dushanbe riots? -- Clevelander 15:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Karabakh war article

You would need to ask MarshallBagramyan regarding the Karabakh war article. He's the mastermind behind it. I'll check out the article on the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict a bit later as I'm busy trying to resolve disputes over the Nakhichevan article. Be sure to keep me updated on the Tajikistan Civil War pictures. Cheers, Clevelander 15:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes he did. I didnt know that 3rr rule that time. Why do some users have capacity to block others? are they administrators? Ldingley 16:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are. They were elected. You may candidate yourself if you want.

Georgianis | (t) 16:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stalin

The story about his son was just sad. Interesting photo however. :) —Khoikhoi 17:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Luis

Thank you Luis :) Let's continue our work. Georgianis | (t) 17:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]