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Hello friend, I read completely the article of The Boombox and you are right. This is a survey, I regret my stubbornness. Best regards! --Mixitnew (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2015 (UTC)Mixitnew

Hey bud!

Thanks for creating M-Train's awards and nominations page. I polished this one tonight. If there are no notability concerns, It may be ready for FL... :) MaranoFan (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

What do you think about the article? MaranoFan (talk) 07:38, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

OK so I wont be editing for a few weeks since I have my ecxams. I just wanted to let you know that you should send the list for FL, (well, if you want to.).... :) MaranoFan (talk) 11:00, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I think it's too soon. She only has five awards and that's make the article a little weak. I would wait. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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Removing Ariana Grande's parents

Hi I noticed that you removed Ariana Grande's parents from the Ariana Grande page. You said they weren't notable, but I know her mom works as her manager and Ariana Grande has mentioned quite a fews time about her and her father so people would probably like to know that. I'll put the edits back again but if you want to remove them again please talk to me and let me know why!

Thank you! Stephilippou (talk) 05:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Unless their parents are Celebrities or notable for the public, they shouldn't be there. See Template:Infobox_person#Parameters. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 08:22, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for responding!

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Timberlake Tha Fashion Killa

Hey. I'm Justin Timberlake fan and i found some useful links if you would like to add info about his fashion style in his article.

• DeLeon, Jian. "JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE'S 10 BEST STYLE MOVES OF 2013". GQ. Retrieved October 19, 2015.
• Phili, Stelios. "6 STYLE MOVES TO STEAL FROM JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE". GQ. Retrieved October 19, 2015.
• Nygaard, Sandra (February 24, 2011). "Justin Timberlake: Style Power". Men's Health. Retrieved October 19, 2015.
• Carreon, Blue (April 2, 2013). "10 Things To Learn From Justin Timberlake's Makeover". Forbes. Retrieved October 19, 2015.

Cool, I'll take a look. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 05:34, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Drink You Away

... I would like to thank you for all the contributions and maintenance you give into the article. ;) — Tom^(T2ME) 18:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

5sos

Hi! I just wanted to let you know a little error on the 5 seconds of summer page. It states that the boys went on the "on the road again" tour with one direction when they actually didn't. If you wanted to change it that would be great. Thanks! Katesmarsbar (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

According to http://www.webcitation.org/6XTT5XsBm they performed at the Saitama Super Arena as opening act. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 22:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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To Pimp A Butterfly revision

Why did you undo the addition of mastering engineer under the production heading? It is a valid addition. Grundman's has mastered some of the world's greatest music, including Michael Jackson's Thriller. It's worth noting. Mastering engineers are an integral part of the production of an album. add Bozzi to the personnel heading if you think it's more appropriate. He's listed on the good kid mad city page--- Lamar and his team including sounwave, Derek Ali, Thudercat, etc spent many hours making additions to to pimp a butterfly at grundman's studio with Bozzi Chemmech99 (talk) 02:30, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Check "Personnel" section first, official credits. Btw, you deleted the critical reception charts. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC)o

My bad, I added Mike Bozzi on "Personnel" section, the Grammys credit him. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Little Mix

Hello Cornerstonepicker, I'm a little puzzled by a couple of your edits on the Little Mix article. Firstly, you say that the Daily Mirror isn't a reliable source – why wouldn't a national daily newspaper be an RS? I'm not a fan of the band, but I've been trying to keep the page free from the hyperbole of fanboys (and fangirls), and this is at least a reliably reported sales figure, as opposed to the 12 million that IP editors keep trying to change it to based on a mention on The X Factor last month, which certainly isn't an RS.

Secondly, you removed Missy Elliot from the list of associated artists. It's a fair point as the band have only done one duet with her, but as Little Mix's "association" with Demi Lovato only stretches as far as being her opening act on one tour three years ago, I'd say Missy has more right to be considered an associated act, seeing as she's actually recorded with the group. I personally wouldn't have any objections if you removed both of them from the associated acts field, though. Richard3120 (talk) 14:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

In general, tabloid-journalist newspapers, such as The Sun, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail, equivalent television shows, or sites like The Register, should not be used. See Wikipedia:Potentially unreliable sources. For associated acts, other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

In general I agree with you, I would much rather use a figure from a music magazine or broadsheet newspaper. The problem is, I can't find a better source than the Daily Mirror. You may say, fine, then we shouldn't have a sales figure at all – the trouble is I am certain this now clears the way for LM's fans to add whatever figure they want, most likely that 12 million sales figure I talked about, which they will almost certainly get from Digital Spy or some celebrity gossip website. I figure it's best to have some half-reputable figure than none at all, because from previous experience I know this means it'll get added and deleted and re-added incessantly.

Totally agree with you about the "multiple occasions" – I think then this means that Lovato should also be excluded, as being an opening tour act doesn't count as a collaboration. What do you think? Richard3120 (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I removed Lovato. I get your point, however plenty of artists don't have a sales figure here because of that. Little Mix has few certifications, their album sales in the UK (their strongest market) combined don't reach 1 million. I guess "Wings" is their best-selling single, with sales ~1,3M WW, not even 50% of 5M WW (source). So is really hard to believe what DailyMirror says. That info can be removed and leave a hidden note for future edits, or "unreliable source" can stay and another user will take a decision. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of the changes you've just made. The 300,000 sales for the second album is an inferred figure from the fact it's just been certified platinum, but you are right, it does need a citation for that. I'm also not a fan of adding sales figures when they don't come from an official source: the fans seem to think differently and add any figure they can find on the web, regardless of the reliability of the source, which is extremely annoying and means I spend a lot of time reverting unsourced stuff on these pages. They were announced on the X Factor last month as having sold 12 million records now... how the figure managed to jump from 7.5 million to 12 million in less than a year with the release of only two singles (this was before their current album was released), I find very suspicious... of course, both X Factor and Little Mix are under Simon Cowell's control, so there might possibly be a vested interest there in bigging up their sales figures on the show, and certainly a COI as regards being an RS. Thanks anyway. Richard3120 (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

As I expected, an IP has added back the 12 million sales figure, from the Chroniclelive website, which appears to be the online version of local newspaper The Newcastle Chronicle... presumably this would also count as a non-reliable source? Richard3120 (talk) 12:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I'm going to remove both, so they stop adding 12 million thinking 5 million "is incorrect". Cornerstonepicker (talk) 22:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Vevo Certified Award

The Vevo Certified Award is an award that honours artists with a video that reaches over 100 million views on the Vevo platform. The artist will receive such an award for every video that reaches the 100 million mark. For example, when Demi Lovato's music video for "Let It Go" got over 100 million views, Pete Wentz handed out a Vevo Certified Award to her on stage at the Vevo Certified SuperFanFest in September 2014 (you can watch it here). Many more artists have received the award (or even multiple ones simultaneously) as well and most of them have uploaded videos of them receiving the award(s) to their Vevo accounts. It might sound obvious, but the Vevo Certified Award is an actual award. So I would really appreciate it if you could stop removing the award from articles saying it's not one while it is.. Thank you very much, indeed. Nintendo¡oui?? 18:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Good-articles here in WP don't include Vevo certified as an award - is a digital certification, just like Gold or Platinum by the RIAA. Try to include that 'award' in the Taylor Swift A&N article, and you will receive a better reply. Btw, that Vevo Certified article hasn't been reviewed yet. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:50, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Believe (Cher song) - Cher as songwriter

Hi, Mirela. Cher claimed that she co-wrote the song "Believe" on BBC live chat, but apparently which has been posted by cherworld.com, which is probably an unofficial fansite. However, another two sources has been found on the article's talk page. One is a book has been scanned from Google Books, and another one is New York Times article. 115.164.95.16 (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, wrong name.115.164.55.84 (talk) 13:50, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Justin Bieber

Hello and thank you for your recent edits. However, you have deleted important info that belongs in the lead, which of course summarizes the main article. As per the article: Bieber is indeed a producer (for instance, he is listed as the first producer of his two most recent studio albums), actor (he has appeared in 24 TV shows and films), and dancer (he dances in many of his videos and all of his concerts.) Also, the RIAA is the industry standard for tracking actual single and album sales. But you were right to re-add the "n" word, even though it is highly inflammatory. Thank you, again.--PhiladelphiaInjustice (talk) 22:19, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Do some research, his acting roles features only one as guest star. Please, see WP guidelines about main occupations in Bios. The dancer one is original research. 12x Certification doesn't mean 12 million copies sold - so is indeed, misinformation. Since May 2013 RIAA certifications for digital singles include on-demand audio and/or video song streams in addition to downloads. Hope it can help you. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 22:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

AFD

Good morning. Please feel free to comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forget Forever. Regards. Abi-Maria (talk) 06:14, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

Thought you'd like to be involved at a discussion, located here. Your participation is completely optional; hope you had a wonderful holiday, as well! livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 23:06, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Selena Gomez

Hi! Selena won a VMA because he was part of the clip if it was not for her and others the clip would not be special, the idea of joining various celebrities was what left the special clip, It not was the song that won, it was the video. Taylor made a party at his house to deliver the moonmen to all participants, The prize that sent her (the moonmen) and even posted a picture on your instagram. Thank you for your attention Slupd146 (talk) 03:26, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't say much. MTV hasn't sign anything about that. Btw, if featured artists don't receive the award officially for MTV.. it only counts awards for her own videography [1] Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:28, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Irresistible ft. Demi Lovato

It's really weird that Billboard doesn't credit Demi as a featured artist on the track, even though the remix version was the one that was released as a single in the US and elsewhere. The remix version impacted US pop radio on October 16, 2015 and remains the only version that is actually played on American radio stations, which is one of the main factors that triggered the recent success of the song and its new peak at 55. Read this article from November 2015 as well. The only reason why they probably didn't credit her, must be because the song had already peaked at 77 when "Irresistible" was released as a promotional single on January 5, 2015. So, I think that the #55 position rightfully belongs to the remix even without any credit given to Demi by Billboard. Whether Billboard still doesn't credit Demi after the music video release or not, Demi is still the one who helped the song achieve its current success... Give Your a Break 23:53, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

"The Hills" (2015) was already number one. The remix version featuring Eminem helped the song the next week, but it didn't sell as much as the original version that week, so he wasn't credited. "Bad Blood" (2015) charted first at 60 if I'm not mistaken, the following week the remix feat Kendrick Lamar sold 10 times more than the original version, so he was credited. It depends, and BB knows. Until BB credits her.. that position with her name doesn't have a source. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:20, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Yet, in this case, the remix version featuring Demi sells more than the original song.. and it's the only version that qualifies as a single release in the US... BB should credit her as soon as possible! And they sure do know that the remix version with Demi is in the Mainstream Top 40 right now, the only one that gets airplay.. At least Republic Records credits Demi here. Not to forget that the Demi remix is in the top 40 of US iTunes at the moment, spawning the single's sales. Give Your a Break 13:18, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, but we are talking about the Hot 100, and her name isn't there with the song. Wait until Billboard credit her. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:15, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

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External music video

Why are you removing the {{External music video}} templates? The infobox is a much better place for the links than the External links section.

By the way, sooner or later the infobox data will be imported straight from Wikidata. (And maybe the links in the "External links" section too.) So I think your energy is better spent on adding the YouTube links to Wikidata like this. --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Moscow Connection, my energy was well spent: Featured articles and Good articles generally have the music video link under the "External Links" section. Is there a general consensus about it that I missed? Please, let me know. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 16:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

You were actually right. Fits better. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I Knew You Were Trouble

Sorry for interrupting. I noticed that Slant Magazine said that the song "bass drops" into an arrangements which is a "pop rock arrangements". And just like Let the Groove Get In section where says has a pop arrangement. 123.136.106.165 (talk) 01:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Part of the song is pop-rock (should be included as a genre). LTGGI has a pop arrangement, but it is mainly described as a latin song. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Sales, streaming

But you know that if RIAA change the certification's mechanism, is bc something happened. The streams are increasing, and the article says "sales" not "pure sales", RIAA count 100 streams in the US as a sale, not excuse your hatred by Fifth Harmony on sales, lol. Worth It sell 3M WITH STREAMS!!! You don't want to see the article extinct right, because your pure sales will end, lol!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucas11925 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

You are just assuming that. Those are streaming points, sales here are pure sales. "3x certication omg it sold 3 million!!!!" please, dont be that guy. Until you find a source stating "Worth It" has sold 3 million in the US (the chart you have edited is about the country, not WW like that tweet you showed) it will be removed. Edit: Lucas11925, I added a note there for "Worth It" multiplatinum-certification. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

@Cornerstonepicker: @Lucas11925: this is an ongoing problem with this article which has troubled me for months: in short, a lack of actual sales figures for virtually all records means it is impossible to make any accurate lists of best-selling girl group records, which really makes this article redundant.

If you read through the RfC discussion on the talk page you can see my misgivings - we felt the only way to salvage the article was to use certification levels, so the argument of Lucas11925 and Musicstan is valid: if we remove "Worth It" we have to remove virtually the whole article, because the sections for Australia, France, Germany, Canada, etc. are all implied sales based on certification levels. Japan and South Korea have sales figures, but these are mostly unverified... the Korean figures are mostly sourced from a French(!) blog. The UK figures are just about the only officially sourced ones, but even these are incomplete - for example, I can work out from OCC figures that both "Yes Sir I Can Boogie" and "Frankie" have sold in excess of 640,000 copies, so should be included on the UK singles list. But as I don't know exactly how many, or have a source, they have been excluded from the table.

There has been an attempt before to delete this article, in 2011: if it got put up for AfD again I wouldn't oppose it. Richard3120 (talk) 09:16, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Just read that, Richard3120, so he has a point. But since 2013 streaming points have been included in certifications. I guess pre-2013 all were pure-sales. Don't Cha is only platinum, but has sold 3 million in the US. Confusing. Or maybe it can be merged to "Girl groups" article. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

The explanation behind "Don't Cha" can be found in the article used as the source for the 3M sales: it says it sold 3M on downloads in addition to a single platinum certification for old-fashioned physical sales. Which means the total sales should be 4M, not 3M. But as the person quoting those figures is Cee Lo Green, the song's co-writer, that's not really a verifiable source. And so we're back to the problem of sourcing verifiable sales figures: we can't do this for the Pussycat Dolls and we can't do this for Fifth Harmony, and we can't do it for most singles. So this is why we went with implied sales from certifications. But this is also problematic as (1) certifications are for shipments, not actual sales, (2) apart from the US and UK few countries had certifications before the 1980s, so the tables are heavily skewed towards the last twenty years, (3) it wasn't important for record companies in the past to apply for certifications, so many records from the 1950s, 60s and 70s have no certifications despite theoretically qualifying for them (see the lack of certified Supremes records in the US, or the single platinum certification for Bridge over Troubled Water in the UK, despite being one of the top 20 all-time best-selling albums in that country). The whole article is a minefield, really. Richard3120 (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Reverts on Drake articles

Thank you for those reverts. Edits were against consensus, and had a "I know better than the sources attitude". They were disruptive as well, the editor took it to the talk page and continued. Thanks for the help. I was already at three reverts, so I didn't dare revert again. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 00:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

List Of Awards and Nominations by Nicki Minaj

Hello Cornerstonepicker, The "VEVO Hot This Year Awards" are a few AWARDS, VEVO defines them as AWARDS, even I noticed that Shakira shared votes and defines them as prizes. They are completely notable, because VEVO is a company completely relevant.

Best regards! --Thembihood (talk) 02:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Thembihood

Thembihood, the source you have provided is not reliable. Even so, those are not awards, is a year-end poll, like many publication do. Please, don't just add awards to increase the "wins" number, be sure that those are notable. You're just adding fan-craft, so don't. Btw, that article you have been adding awards needs some work, irrelevant "perfurmes" awards, irrelevant "beverage" awards. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:31, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Cornerstonepicker According to WP, it would be a "primary source". In addition, the page is not the only one with that kind of awards; see awards page of Lady Gaga, Madonna, Missy Elliott, Lil' Kim, Beyonce, Lauryn Hill and many more pages contain awards that are irrelevant. I differentiate between an end-of-year survey and awards; but it perfectly that this is not one; initially because it was not in the end of the year. --Thembihood (talk) 02:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Thembihood

Thembihood, http://www.spotlightcountry.com/vevo-announces-hot-this-year-list/ is not a primary source. Those articles need some work too, but just because they have, don't add to this one. And yes, the poll (that isn't present in any other article, for a reason) is called Vevo Hot This Year, in December 2014. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:03, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Thembihood I have undone your last edit in this Talk page for the reason you can find in "view history". Please, let me now your comments about this again. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Year-end charts

Year-end charts are missing in This Summer's Gonna Hurt like a Motherfucker. Add it please.

Because it didn't chart in any Cornerstonepicker (talk) 20:13, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Anti Critical Reception

Hi Corner! Are you taking a full responsibility over the section? If you do, I have some tips for you: 1) If you want to build a successful CR section take a look at the previous critical receptions on Good Girl Gone Bad, Rated R or Loud (those sections are looking pretty good). 2) The first paragraph should contain the positive reviews, then the others mixed and the end negative. 3) I am gonna add some reviews in the infobox you can use it. I really appreciate the work. — Tom^(T2ME) 19:43, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Tomica Ok! most of the reviews are mixed so far. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:50, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but I think Spin and Toronto Sun should be first, then the rest. — Tom^(T2ME) 19:54, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Spin has seven editors with different opinons in the article. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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Writers for Pillow Talk

Hi would you be able to edit the Pillow Talk page to amend the writers info! There are only 3 registers writers. Zayn , Michael , and Anthony. I am a representative from Sony ATV music Publishing and we have two of the writers ATVformusic (talk) 17:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

We still need a Reliable source, published on internet. Otherwise, it would be original research. Please, if the credits can be published somewhere (reliable) so we just link, it would be helpful. There is not source for the writers yet. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)I will try and get a label copy upladed thank you for doing that

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