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Anyone else find it strange that the article first says that the Chandelle is not a dogfighting maneuver, then further down describes how it was used in air combat? Is it the modern-day Chandelle, the one used for pilot certification, which is not a combat maneuver? Or was even that maneuver actually used in air combat? --Avl (talk) 19:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If the Chandelle is "now required for attaining a commercial flight certificate in many countries" - not just some, why add "The Federal Aviation Administration in the United States requires such training"? The article might as well read "The Aviation Administration in Kazakhstan requires such training". To name one country adds nothing to the paragraph.101.98.74.13 (talk) 05:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]