Talk:Entomologica Americana (New York Entomological Society)
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Proposed merge with Journal of the New York Entomological Society
This is the previous name of the journal now published as Entomologica Americana (New York Entomological Society). The content of both articles is largely identical and needlessly complicated. Normal practice for academic journals is to redirect former names to the new name and present the journal history at that place. Randykitty (talk) 02:20, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- I think it is useful to have separate articles for different journals. It means we can include key data such as ISSNs, links to scanned content, publishers, etc. in Infoboxes for all journals. All of these things can change when journals are renamed, but relegating this to the text of the article about the current journal loses this information. This also facilitates links between Wikidata and Wikipedia (each instance of the journal links to different Wikidata item). While some users of Wikipedia may only be interested in what the journal is called now, others (such as anyone working with content from those journals) is likely to benefit from having separate accounts for each journal. Yes, the content of the articles in question overlaps, but they have just been started. "Needlessly complicated" they may be, but the history of these journals and their publishing societies is also complicated.--Roderic D. M. Page (talk) 07:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Journals often change names. And like with people, we have only one article for them, not different articles for the periods that they had different names (The Artist Formerly Known as Prince appropriately redirects to Prince (musician), for example. We have hundreds of articles on journals that underwent sometimes multiple name changes. Wikidata is no problem: the redirects can have entries there with the ISSNs and whatever other info is particular to that specific instance of a journal. Similarly, we sometimes have multiple infoboxes for articles on closely related journals (e.g., journals that have the same main title, but are divided into different series -generally indicated by capital letters: A, B, etc) and, in any case, any important information like previous ISSNs can be listed in the infobox or, if necessary, in the text. At this point, I see no reason at all to change this practice. And as far as "complicated" goes, I don't think that this is very complicated at all: originally there were two different journals, at some point they merged and now there is one. --Randykitty (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- To be pedantic, it's not the case that we have two journals that merged, we had two journals published by two different societies, one ceased, then later on other journal adopted the name of the ceased journal. I don't see the harm in maintaining different articles for different journals (or names of journals). Your argument simply seems to be that "we don't normally do this", which seems more an appeal to tradition than an argument about whether what I've done is reasonable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdmpage (talk • contribs) 14:40, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Journals often change names. And like with people, we have only one article for them, not different articles for the periods that they had different names (The Artist Formerly Known as Prince appropriately redirects to Prince (musician), for example. We have hundreds of articles on journals that underwent sometimes multiple name changes. Wikidata is no problem: the redirects can have entries there with the ISSNs and whatever other info is particular to that specific instance of a journal. Similarly, we sometimes have multiple infoboxes for articles on closely related journals (e.g., journals that have the same main title, but are divided into different series -generally indicated by capital letters: A, B, etc) and, in any case, any important information like previous ISSNs can be listed in the infobox or, if necessary, in the text. At this point, I see no reason at all to change this practice. And as far as "complicated" goes, I don't think that this is very complicated at all: originally there were two different journals, at some point they merged and now there is one. --Randykitty (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Entomologica Americana (Brooklyn Entomological Society)
Journal published until the society merged with the NY Entomological Society, which then renamed its journal "Entomologica Americana", indicating that the new journal was a merger of the two journals, taken the title of one and continuing the volume numbering of the other. Again, the content of this article largely duplicates that of the other two. Randykitty (talk) 02:24, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- This is not an accurate summary of the rather complicated history (which I've simplified in the trancluded timeline). The Brooklyn Entomological Society merged with the New York Entomological Society in 1968, but Entomologica Americana (Brooklyn Entomological Society) was still being published (post 1968 by New York Entomological Society), so until 1975 the New York Entomological Society was publishing two journals. Entomologica Americana (Brooklyn Entomological Society) then ceased, and in 2009 the New York Entomological Society revived the name for its journal Journal of the New York Entomological Society.--Roderic D. M. Page (talk) 07:07, 20 May 2016 (UTC)