Talk:Vaccine hesitancy

Reason for Controversy

Along with religious and political reasons to avoid vaccines, parents choose not to vaccinate their children due to the fact that they are too young to experience serious diseases. Vaccines were invented in the 18th century, and were used quite frequently since then. Because of vaccines, many serious illnesses have been wiped out. Parents in this generation have not seen what polio, for example, can do to someone, so it is much easier for them to say that their children do not need to be vaccinated. This can cause major problems down the road.

References

CDC Page is gone

The page referenced in current footnote 47:

"A Centers for Disease Control website aimed at countering common misconceptions about vaccines argued, "Are we expected to believe that better sanitation caused incidence of each disease to drop, just at the time a vaccine for that disease was introduced?"[47]"

is no longer there. It redirects to a different URL which doesn't seem to contain the same type of information, it's only an FAQ.

Wayback: http://web.archive.org/web/20150120055820/http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/6mishome.htm

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.221.94.5 (talk) 21:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out! I added the archive to the citation. Me, Myself & I (☮) (talk) 01:34, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

1976 Swine Flu Vaccine

Has the 1976 swine flu outbreak ever been included in this article? It was a PR debacle for flu vaccination and management of public health, as I recall it. Tapered (talk) 10:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Menigococcal B in New Zealand

User:BennyPSanders is misrepresenting information from the NZ Ministry of Health. Charlotte Cleverly-Bisman was very much the face of the very successful 2004-2008 campaign to end the epidemic of meningococcal B in NZ through vaccination. The only reason that meningococcal B vaccine is no longer offered in NZ is that the 2004-2008 campaign was so successful that it was more-or-less vaccinated out of existence. It's so uncontroversial, I have no idea what the point of trying to include it in this article is. PepperBeast (talk) 19:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Pepperbeast... there is no mention of the availability of a vaccine for strain B on the NZ health site. How is this a misrepresentation of the truth? You need to rethink your militaristic attitude. The page is about Controversy, so why do so many try to remove anything that disagrees with their point of view? Afraid that readers might be able to make up their own minds on the issue? As a teacher, I have been taught to provide unbiased information and to not indoctrinate those who seek information.BennyPSanders (talk) 19:47, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

We're reporting on controversies that exist, not making up controversies. That NZ ended a long-term epidemic of meningococcal B through vaccination is *not* controversial. It's perfectly straightforward. It's also perfectly straightforward that meningococcal B is no longer a serious threat in NZ. To state that no vaccine against Men. B is available without giving the details is to suggest that meningitis B is not vaccine -preventable, when, in fact, it is and NZ is an obvious success story.. PepperBeast (talk) 20:00, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

What aspects of the NZ anti-meningococcal B vaccine campaign do you think are controvesial, anyway? PepperBeast (talk) 20:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

How about this? "It is also of interest that the MeNZB™ researchers themselves now acknowledge that there is no body of evidence that MeNZB™-type vaccines confer herd immunity." Proceedings of the Meningococcal Vaccine Strategy World Health Organization Satellite Meeting, 10 March 2004, Auckland NZ; published in NZMJ, Aug 2004. or that the vaccine given in NZ was one that had been manufactured for a Norwegian epidemic that went away on its own without the use of the vaccine. The vaccine was 'dumped' on NZ with the knowledge that it would not have been effective if it was used anyhow at a time when the NZ epidemic was already on the wane. Lancet. 1991 Nov 2;338(8775):1093-6BennyPSanders (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Which is completely different information from what you've added to the article. How can a Lancet article from 1991 say anything about a vaccine campaign started in 2004? PepperBeast (talk) 20:43, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

This is information I'm giving to you, to answer your question. The vaccine was not developed for the NZ epidemic... even though members of the government attempted to convince that it had... it was developed more than a decade before, by a Norwegian company... "The Lancet medical journal reported in 1991 that the Norwegian Institute of Public Health found that the large and robust clinical trials proved the vaccine to have insufficient efficacy to justify its use in a mass vaccination program. The Lancet paper also contained data showing that the epidemic was waning naturally by the completion of the trials. The incidence had declined from peak levels by about 50%, similar to the natural decline that had occurred in New Zealand when the vaccine was approved." The NZ government was conned out of a huge amount of money... and no longer offers the vaccine because the cost outweighs the benefit. Interesting point of view. They realize that the vaccine had little to do with protecting the people against the disease. BennyPSanders (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

So stop making vague assertions about Charlotte Cleverly-Bisman and add some factual information to that article. PepperBeast (talk) 21:13, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

I am looking at a chart based on information from NZ Ministry of Health. When the MeNZB vaccine was introduced in 2004, the cases of Meningococcal Disease were at their lowest in a decade... and strain B was only half of the total cases. The disease had run its course, as do most diseases. The vaccine 'arrived' when it was already over. And evidently, the expiry date of the vaccines had been reached, so the company distributing it (Chiron) changed the dates to extend the usage by approximately 6 months. BennyPSanders (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Pepper.. I know you want the same thing that I do, for people to gain valuable information about the subject. I was not trying to tear down the whole article, just give readers something to think about. Based on your suggestion, I will carefully add details.. that are controversial. I will work on this over the next day or so. I will remove the addition and repost it when completed. I have a university paper to finish tonight (Science of Conquest) so hopefully I will add this back tomorrow. Thank you for this discussion. It was helpful. BennyPSanders (talk) 21:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Vaccines and Autism

In regards to the factual information that I have posted (that has been removed more than once) regarding Congressman Bill Posey's request for an investigation into affidavits that were submitted to him by a senior CDC scientist about information that was not revealed to the public... how can editors say that it did not happen? Of course the fact that numerous websites reported that it happened seems to be not good enough... but when I cannot post a link to the video of the Congressman actually delivering the speech...(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxr-cv-JuI8) I have done what I can to provide proof and it is a key piece of information in the controversy. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnS-xJCG6i4) Interesting that some who insist that something is so, or not so, cannot deal with facts that show that they may be incorrect. BennyPSanders (talk) 20:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Shoulder Injury Related to Vaccine Administration (S.I.R.V.A.)

Sometimes, shoulder pain and reduced range of motion can become chronic problems after a vaccination, usually because the shot is administered in the wrong area of the shoulder. There is even a name for the condition: Shoulder Injury Related to Vaccine Administration, or SIRVA. It has resulted in a long list of lawsuits.

https://www.verywell.com/shoulder-pain-after-vaccine-injection-sirva-2549798

https://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/sirva/