Talk:Yakub (Nation of Islam)

elijah muhammad messenger of allah is correct all the way

I'm so thrilled to learn that. Paul B 10:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good to see racism alive and well....

"Shocked" Muslims

Observant Muslims might well have "reacted with shock" to the doctrine of Yakub because both the separate creation of different races, and the accompanying racial superiority/inferiority, are both contrary to Muhammad's rather specific comments in his last sermon, one of the great foundational texts of Islam.

Specifically, the relevant part of the Last Sermon reads in translation as:

“All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white — except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."

I imagine that the "shock" was mostly their realization that they were talking to a crazy person. -- The Anome 10:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you people telling me that people in modern-day America believe that anglo-Americans were created by an "evil black scientist" on a Greek island a few thousand years ago? If black people are stupid enough to believe that, no wonder they are easily dominated by the white man, as they cliam. -195.93.21.134

That's a racist comment if I've ever seen one. We are born with the intellect that God gave us, no more, no less. African Americans may embrace a number of unconventional ideas that seem foreign or even "stupid" to you and I, but for you to disparage them for it is just ignorant and shows a lack of understanding of their constant struggle to survive in an advanced society. -TrevorMay 05:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The suggestion that black people "struggle to survive in an advanced society" is racist and patronising in itself. Stupid ideas are just as stupid whoever has them, and to treat one group more indulgently is act as if they are children, who can be forgivern for having naive ideas. That's truly insulting. Paul B 06:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Statistically speaking, members of some groups in general have more or less difficulty prospering in an advanced society. Some of this stems from the ability to handle math, science, language, etc. This is not racist, it is just the way things are. If somebody is born with less intellectual capacity than yourself, it is your duty as a human being and as a member of the civilized world to treat them with respect, understanding, and dignity, even if they wind up making a number of poor decisions or holding beliefs that you find irrational. -TrevorMay 04:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing. And I thought Christian Fundamentalists were crazy. -Neural 00:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]