Talk:WWV (radio station)

Should WWV be documented as being in the United States?

*everyone* knows that Colorado is in the United States - the ITU prefix even gives away the county

This is not worth an edit war, and I'm not going to make any change to the parent article. I would however say that it's my opinion that the country of origin should be left in if there is any doubt...

1. Not everyone knows that Colorado is in the United States. Much of Wikipedia's audience is international, and it doesn't hurt, nor is it dumbing down this article, to indicate what country a radio station is in so that an English speaking reader in say, Germany knows where you're talking about. CHU in Canada mentions its country of origin immediately in its article.

2. The audience of this article is not necessarily people intimately familiar with amateur or world band radio, who would know what an ITU prefix is, or why that defines the station as being in the United States.

3. Unlike line of sight radio stations, WWV can be received in locations outside the United States. Even the announcement at the top of the hour does not specifically say that Colorado is located in the United States, so someone who hears the station for the first time and then comes to this article may not know what country it's coming from, particularly if they've DXed the station and only been able to hear a small portion of the announcement.

Just a few thoughts... Skybunny 14:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I belive location convention is that in the U.S., it is sufficient to indicate the U.S. state as the major location, much as you might say Aberdeen, Scotland without having to say Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom. I would compare to other articles with locations. And besides, clicking on the wikilink on the location will clear up any such question. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While not quite the same thing, Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(city_names)#United_States_and_Canada says that state or province name as major place is appropriate. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can see where traversing the links can do the same thing; it sunds fair enough to me if it is left off. It just seemed better to discuss this here rather than in the form of edits on the front page. Skybunny 22:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I appeared to start this debate with the following discussion with the Admin who has locked the article. I placed this material on his Talk page but he did not reply:

G'day. You seem to take exception to me placing the abbreviation USA after Colorado in the article WWV. I did it for the following reasons.

1. It is convention to assume that your reader does not know geography. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28country-specific_topics%29 which states the convention is "Item" of "Country" as the preferred way of referring to things. 2. It could be construed as arrogant that everyone knows that Colorado is in the USA and therefore it doesn't needed to be stated. 3. The addition of USA simply makes the article more informative, not less informative. Further it is an accurate statement. Therefore I cannot see the need for its removal.

I'd appreciate your explanation. Maustrauser 08:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you not consider it an abuse of your Adminship to lock this page? You have not discussed your refusal to allow the country to appear after the State. I have politely asked you to provide and explanation, which you have not done. I waited several days for your response, and without one forthcoming I added USA to the article. You then reverted my change and locked the page. I would appreciate your explanation other than "Everyone knows where Colorado is." I have copied this to the article Talk Page in the hope you might reply. Maustrauser 11:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies. Even though this article is in my watchlist, so are a lot of other articles, and I did not notice your attempt to communicate with me immediately. Now, about your USA link; putting it in is redundant. I told you that there's a high probability that if you ask someone where Colorado is, they'll reply "United States". You can also tell from the very first letter of this station's call sign, "W", that this is a U.S. station. As well, the convention for mentioning U.S. cities is to say the name of the city, followed by the name of the state, and that's it. Besides, you only need to click on "Colorado" in the article to be told that it's a U.S. state. Also, there's already a link to the United States article further down in the article. Again, linking to USA at the start of the article is redundant, and I ask that you do not do it. Denelson 83 12:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

voice announcements designed to sound like Don Elliot - not John Doyle

On August 13, 1991 both WWV and WWVH began broadcasting voice recordings that were digitized and stored in solid state memory devices. Previous voice recordings were played back from mechanical drum recorders, which were more prone to failure. The male voice on WWV was designed to sound like Don Elliot, the station’s original announcer. WWVH still uses the voice of its original announcer, Jane Barbe, although the digital storage device has made her voice sound slightly different.

Documentation found here:

Per NIST publication #432, 2002 edition, page 32.

http://tf.nist.gov/timefreq/general/pdf/1383.pdf

Designed to, but it's not his voice. I have a phonographic memory, and I have heard the voices of both Don Elliot and John Doyle. The voice on WWV is definitely that of Doyle. -- Denelson 83 23:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Voice

Phonographic memory is not documentation.