Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 May 29

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List of mayors of Ventura, California

Various non-free images being used in List of mayors of Ventura, California. Most of the individuals depicted in these image appear to be deceased, so it might be possible to use their respective images for primary identification purposes in stand-alone articles about them (if such articles exist); however, the use of non-fre images for individual entries in list articles is typically not considered acceptable per WP:NFLISTS and I don't see the way these particular images are being used to be an exception to long-established consensus.

There is, however, the possiblity that some of these images are old enough to be no longer eligible for copyright protection which means they could be converted to {{{PD-US}}, {{PD-US-no notice}} or some other form of public domain. It might also even be possible that some of these images are considered to be "official photographs" covered under {{PD-CAGov}}. If any of these can be converted to PD, then they would no longer be subject to Wikipedia's non-free content use policy and can be evenutally moved to Commons. More information is needed about these photos (like the information mentioned in WP:NFCC#10a) for their copyright status to be properly assessed to determoine how they should be licensed. If it turns out that all or some of these need to be treated as non-free content, then I don't think such files can be kept per Wikipedia's non-free content use policy.

There is another issue as well which needs to be addressed. All of these images appear to be photos of photos taken by the uploader using their iPhone. If this is the case, then there are actually two copyrights in play here: the copyright of the underlying work (i.e., the photo being photgraphed) and the copyright of the photo taken by the uploader. Since the photos taken by the uploader all seem to be simple mechanical reproductions of 2D-photos, they are likely not eligible for copyright protection; this means that any claim by the uploader of copyright ownership over them would not be allowed per WP:NFCC#1 regardless of the copyright status of the underlying work because basically someone else could take essentially the same photo and release it under a free license accepted by Wikipedia, It's not clear whether the uploader is claiming copyright ownership over their iPhone photos so no copyright license is provided for the photos themselves.

Suggest keep for any of the files for which the underlying work can be confirmed to be within the public domain, but only on the condition that the uploader agrees to release their iPhone photos under a free license accepted by Wikipedia; otherwise, all of the files will need to be deleted per WP:NFCC#1 regardless. Suggest delete for any file which needs to be licensed as non-free per WP:NFLISTS, unless there exists a stand-alone article about the individual in question where the photo can be used instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (for all non-free files) As it stands, in theory this page could end up with 56 non-free images - that is not minimal usage on an article. Also such a page is not more than a gallery, which is not allowed for non-free images. Should anyone write a stand alone article for a person then that could have one image. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 10:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Rampalgrave.jpg

No freedom of panorama in France. Kelly ^hi! 15:46, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kelly: It appears to me that, unless graves are considered artwork, {{FoP-USonly}} would apply here. ℯ xplicit 03:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To settle whether copyright would apply to such graves.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

File:Pcb city seal.jpg

Free image: Florida municipal government work. Xeror (talk) 08:54, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]