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Bot task approved[edit]

Your recent bot task has been Approved. You can see the full details at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/RonBot. You should receive both bot and admin flags shortly. ~ Rob13Talk 21:58, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: Thanks. I intend to run daily at 3am UK time using a scheduled batch file containing.. python >c:\python27\bot\log\%RANDOM%.txt Thus I get a new log file for each day (I've been testing this with a non-saving version). Eventually I will remove the many print statements. I just need to stop Sphilbrick clearing out the category before the bot runs... Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Ha, just let him know the bot is around and I'm sure he'd prefer to focus on other things. There will be plenty of files needing human assessment, I'm sure. ~ Rob13Talk 22:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Question — what will the bot do if it finds a file with the template, but all the old revisions have already been revdeleted? I hope that it will simply remove the template, rather than ignoring the file completely. I skimmed through the BRFA without finding anything, so I'm unclear if that situation hasn't been addressed, or if I simply missed something. Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
@Nyttend: Interesting question. The bot first checks that (a) the final size is <100000 pixels and (b) there have been no edits for the 7 waiting days - if either fails it adds "human=yes" to the template and moves on. If OK, then it will get a list of old images, remove from that list any that are "filehidden", and rev del what is left, then it removes the template on a separate api call. I'm certain that if there is nothing to do and the initial check is OK - then the template gets removed. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
I think you made some sort of mistake; I came here because I didn't have a rollback link at this page in Special:Contributions, having never gotten a ping. That sounds reasonable, and I suppose a human would eventually find it, even if that didn't happen. I just know that I've several times done a revdeletion and then forgotten to remove the NFR template, so of course the image stayed in the category improperly; I can assume that this will occasionally happen when sentient admins go through the |human=yes queues, especially since the bot's activity will mean that humans will go through less often and thus be prone to make oops-I-forgot-that mistakes more often. Nyttend (talk) 00:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
@Nyttend: Look at last line of User:Ronhjones/common.js it adds in User:Ronhjones/rescaledsidebar.js (which is based on User:B/rescaledsidebar.js - but that does not work with the new "human=yes" in the template). The script adds "rescaled" to your toolbox in left margin (only when showing an image), and when clicked revdels the images, removes the template and refreshes the window. I've not manually revdeled an orphaned image for ages. P.S. The script when installed will respond to Alt-Shift-S - saves moving the mouse. Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:39, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I see that Ronbot is running (yay!), but Category:Non-free_files_with_orphaned_versions_more_than_7_days_old is growing (?) What am I missing?--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
FYI, I just read through the request for approval process. I had read an earlier version, so knew this was far more complicated than one might imagine, but this second review reinforced that observation. Thanks for all the work, and thanks to both Ron and Rob.--S Philbrick(Talk) 02:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: Bot running fine. 2500 files processed since approved. Cat is growing as I'm tagging as much as I can for reduce!. As far as I can see the bot clears the cat when it gets run (Windows is set to schedule it to run at 3am UK time - 02:00 UTC at present). It did 550 files last night in 71 minutes. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Sounds great. I had noticed the count going up each day, so wondered. of course, the day I ask, it drops. That said, I noticed File:ACPE Logo.jpg in the queue several days ago and it is still there. Is there some reason it isn't being handled? Forgive me if I'm not following how this works, but I expected that a file would be added to the cat when re-sized, and removed the next day when the bot runs (or moved to the manual intervention cat if it couldn't be processed).

Second question. It looks like you cleverly replaced Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old with Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old needing human review on this page: Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion which makes perfect sense, but {{CSD-categories}} still includes the first cat. I know enough to ignore it, and we both know most admins ignore it, but if we get a new zealous admin looking to clear out backlogs, they may stumble across it, not knowing that should ignore it. Do you agree? It may be as simple as changing it in {{CSD-categories}}, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Alteratively (or additionally), should we modify the instructions on Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old to note that this is now handled by a bot, so the instructions should only be followed if the bot is not working? If you were planning to do this after the bot is fully vetted, my apologies for jumping the gun. I'm just concerned that some brand-new admin is going to stumble across this page, and attempt to clear out the apparent backlog.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:47, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: Good ideas - feel free to try and fix the cats - I did add a notice at top of Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old, maybe not obvious enough. I did fix Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion, not looked at {{CSD-categories}}. Odd behaviour with that file, The system makes a new log each day on my PC - I'll have a look at them and see if the file is getting picked up, and what action happened. Ronhjones  (Talk) 21:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Log is clear One of the potentially free categories were found. Skipping. - has Category:Possibly free imagesRonhjones  (Talk) 21:57, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I did miss that notice. I see it now, but I added a more prominent one.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Image size for File:Sun-1 Badge.jpg[edit]

Hi Ron, I'm responding to the reduce tag for the above image.

The current image size is only ~221,000 pixels. Although this is definitely larger than the 100,000 pixel "low end" that WP:IMAGERES notes, I'd ask to take into account that the aspect ratio is about 10.4:3, or more than two and half times the 4:3 aspect ratio the guideline uses for its example. And of course, it's still much smaller than the 1 megapixel "extreme" the same section notes.

When I originally posted this image, I did take the no-free image guidelines into consideration, and made sure the smaller dimension was less than 300 pixels, setting it to 849x260. This seemed to fit the spirit of the size guidelines; for example, record album covers are commonly posted at size 300 x 300, and the short dimension for this image is 13% smaller than that.

If it's OK with you, I'd like to tag this image {{non-free no reduce}}. Does this seem reasonable? Thanks, NapoliRoma (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

@NapoliRoma: Template changed. One could debate as to whether this might qualify for a {{PD-textlogo}} template. It is rather simple - one would need to ask someone who is more aware of the c:COM:TOO in the US (if it was UK, I'd say no, but each country is rather different). Ronhjones  (Talk) 01:05, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Thanks also for the link to the TOO discussion -- something I hadn't been aware of (and I hadn't even considered that the "non-free" issue is of course about copyrights rather than trademarks).--NapoliRoma (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 July 2017[edit]

Kerim Memija[edit]

Hello there. Last year I created a wiki-page for a Bosnian national football player named Kerim Memija. The page was deleted and is now protected which means that only admins can create the page. Now despite being a wiki-editor for few years creating and developing many pages, I am not an admin, and that is something that I would really like to become. But till then, could you please open the thread so I can make a page for Memija? Thank you. By the way, if its not to much to ask, could you please respond on my talk page?

Why proposing to reduce an image?[edit]

Hello. You recently tagged File:Memory and Five Mile Creek (1995).jpg‎ for reduction in resolution. I am aware of the general principle of non-free images being low-res, but I have several times now seen this happen to a degree that the image is rendered useless or too poor quality to support the article. The current version of this image is already at a limit of making out the features of the artwork. Further reduction appears to me unwise. Can I ask that you prevent the proposed downgrading of the image? Thanks. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

@Hamiltonstone: The vast majority of non free images (>99.8%) will be just fine at the guidline size of 100,000 pixels. There will always be a few images that don't work at that size. I have changed the template to a no reduce one for you. The presence of the template will ensure I do not tag it again. Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:06, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

How does WP:F5 apply?[edit]

I'm just one of those wikipedians who contribute images occasionally without knowing much about the mystifying dos and don'ts surrounding images. With this edit you placed the tag "Orphaned non-free file(s) deleted per F5 (disable)" which zapped the image from the article. How does WP:F5 apply when the image was being used in an article? Moriori (talk) 02:52, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Moriori: Only the unused image was deleted - the current image is still there and the article looks OK. Non-free image history can only have the text data, not all the images. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:03, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Google Video Player window.png[edit]

Your bot removed the template and claimed to have deleted the old revision, but apparently it wasn't deleted. Any idea why this happened? --Stefan2 (talk) 20:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

@Stefan2: No idea. The log shows the correct image number (20170708000541), it shows a successful gain of a delete token and seemed to go through OK. The api call is just a call to the system (api.APIRequest(site, params).query()). If it fails for some reason, it does not do anything. Since the template removal has to be done as a separate api call, it will get removed. I'm not sure if one can get a "result" back from an api call in python. I will have to investigate. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-29[edit]

22:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Are you awake?[edit]

Hey, Ron? I need your help. Are you online? Atsme📞📧 05:52, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

@Atsme: Not at 7am UK time! Usual here 8pm to 2 am UK (bit variable on Sun/Mon) Ronhjones  (Talk) 18:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC) it customary for editors to get "crusty" and start banning people from the TP after about their 6th year of editing WP? X-) Atsme📞📧 20:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Atsme: No one can "ban" anyone from a page (save the ArbCom) as non one owns a page. I have known editor X ask editor Y not to post on editor X's talk page - if they don't want to talk then that's their problem, not yours. Otherwise edit where you like. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I was jokingly talking about me after a round of NPP which is nothing compared to trying to keep a political article in compliance with NPOV. Atsme📞📧 22:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
@Atsme: Always avoid politics and religion - there is never any middle ground... :-) Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:03, 18 July 2017 (UTC)



Thank you for calling my attention to the report, i recently reviewed a page Tan Songyun which was created by a blocked editor with username "Xdeluna". After placing a speedy deletion template on the page an IP address removed the deletion template [[5]]. Subsequently another edit and comment was made by another IP. I suspect it's the same person, or the creator of the page or someone with interest to the page. After i made the first revert he/she did, awards/nominations were added to the page. I would really be happy if you can also review the page for me. Thanks in advance Zazzysa (talk) 23:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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