Talk:Grand Tour (cycling)

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A Grand Tour Category could be useful --Skyleth 12:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's the etymology of the term Grand Tour? I don't recall its usage before Y2K — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gyrospite (talk • contribs) 07:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The plural of Giro

Is "Giri." You wouldn't say "paparazzos," would you?

Tonkov continued to race at a high level for several seasons. He was second in the 1997 and 1998 Giri d’Italia,

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Nonetheless, you simply don’t win two Giri d’Italia by only being a solid climber and a lucky rider.

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Though not a prolific winner, the farmer and donkey owner has amassed two stage wins and a 3rd-place overall finish in the past two Giri d'Italia.

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Hmm? Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 15:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paparazzi is borrowed as a plural, but giro is not, and the English plural morpheme is -s. As a rule, borrowings are pluralized according to the rules of the borrowing language. Giri seems a hypercorrection to me. Zwart (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there some reason you removed my examples and, more importantly, my signature? Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 16:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sorry, I hadn't noticed that these were examples, and I also hadn't recognized the signature (it being colored and all). No offense intended. I've restored them above. If it is your impression that Giri is standard usage, then we should keep it that way. Personally I think Giri d'Italia is even weirder, I would prefer Giro d'Italias. To illustrate my point, think of the plural of foreign words like fjord (from Norwegian), sovjet (from Russian), yacht (from Dutch), etc. All these are pluralized according to English grammar, not according to the grammar of the language of origin. Zwart (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the phrase Grand Tour, we are using grand in its French, rather than its English, sense. Should this article therefore be called Grands Tours? We might not use paparazzos, but we do not use the singulars paparazzo, spagghetto or scampo either, so I'm not sure that that line of reasoning bears any weight. Two of the cycling publications you cite also use Giros: Daily Peloton and Cycling news, and so do heavyweight publications (although not cycling specialists) such as Time and The Independent. So appeal to RS seems indecisive. Looks like a stadium/stadia type issue: hard to say that either is incorrect, but desirable that we have consistency at least within an article. My preference, for reasons given above by Zwart, would be for Giros. Kevin McE (talk) 08:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Giri d'Italia" and "Giros d'Italia" seem to be of roughly equivalent usage. I unequivocally do not want "Giro d'Italias" (and this is straight up English - you wouldn't say "hall of fames," would you?), but beyond that, this isn't anything I'm interested in fighting about. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 17:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what you're pluralizing: Giro or Giro d'Italia. For example, you don't say two Albertos Contador but two Alberto Contadors, because you're taking Alberto Contador to be a unit. Anyway, I'll change back to Giros and see how well it holds up.Zwart (talk) 20:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there aren't two Alberto Contadors, but there are plenty of Giri d'Italia ;) I guess I don't feel as strongly about this as I thought I did. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 03:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erik Zabel Grand Tour Stage Wins

Erik Zabel never won any stages in the Giro, so the statistics as they are currently presented in the table (21 Giro stage victories) are incorrect. Wenkbrauwalbatros (talk) 20:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Wenkbrau. Very odd that Erik was credited with more than twice what he should be! Have removed them. Andrewdpcotton (talk) 14:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alfredo Binda

Binda has won 41 stages in Giro d'Italia. In this section it is written that he won 42 stages. --Mystère Martin (talk) 10:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Most Grand Tour Participations and Finishes

I'd like to add this new section but I'd need help to do it. Or I can supply the data for an expert to do. Eduardo Chozas (ES) deserves recognition for his 27 participations and 26 finishes (in the '84 Vuelta he failed to complete the final stage), along with other notable cyclists in this category. EdX20 (talk) 18:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Podium records

I'd like to add this information. Can anybody help me?:

MOST PODIUMS ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS
======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL=======
Jacques Anquetil	6	6	1		13
Bernard Hinault		7	3	2		12
Eddy Merckx		6	5	1		12
Felice Gimondi		2	9	1		12
Raymond Poulidor	8	0	2		10
Gino Bartali		3	7	0		10
Miguel Induráin		5	3	1		 9
Fausto Coppi		2	7	0		 9
Lance Armstrong		8	0	0		 8
Pedro Delgado		3	0	5		 8
Joop Zoetemelk		7	0	1		 8


CYCLISTS WHO REACHED PODIUM ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS
======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL=======
Jacques Anquetil	6	6	1		13
Bernard Hinault		7	3	2		12
Eddy Merckx		6	5	1		12
Felice Gimondi		2	9	1		12
Miguel Induráin		5	3	1		 9
Laurent Fignon		3	2	1		 6
Carlos Sastre		2	1	3		 6
Toni Rominger		1	1	4		 6
Alberto Contador	2	1	2		 5
Denís Menchov		2	1	2		 5
Jose Manuel Fuente	1	1	2		 4
Vincenzo Nibali		1	2	1		 4
Herman Van Springel	1	1	1		 3


MOST PODIUMS ON TOUR DE FRANCE
========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL=======
Lance Armstrong*	7	0	1		8
Raymond Poulidor	0	3	5		8
Bernard Hinault		5	2	0		7
Joop Zoetemelk		1	6	0		7
Eddy Merckx		5	1	0		6
Jacques Anquetil	5	0	1		6
Jan Ullrich		1	5	0		6
Gustave Garrigou	1	3	2		6
Miguel Induráin		5	0	0		5
Greg LeMond		3	1	1		5
Louison Bobet		3	0	1		4
Nicolás Frantz		2	2	0		4
Antonin Magne		2	1	1		4
Jean Alavoine		0	2	2		4


MOST PODIUMS ON GIRO D'ITALIA
========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL=======
Felice Gimondi		3	2	4		9
Fausto Coppi		5	2	0		7
Gino Bartali		3	4	0		7
Gilberto Simoni		2	1	4		7
Alfredo Binda		5	1	0		6
Giovanni Brunero	3	2	1		6
Francesco Moser		1	3	2		6
Eddy Merckx		5	0	0		5
Fiorenzo Magni		3	2	0		5
Giuseppe Saronni	2	1	1		4
Charly Gaul		2	0	2		4
Italo Zilioli		0	3	1		4
Bartolomeo Aimo		0	1	3		4


MOST PODIUMS ON VUELTA A ESPAÑA
========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL=======
Roberto Heras		3	1	1		5
Pedro Delgado		2	1	2		5
Luis Ocaña		1	3	1		5
Tony Rominger		3	0	1		4
Julián Berrendero	2	2	0		4
Alejandro Valverde	1	2	1		4
José Pérez-Francés	0	2	2		4
Miguel María Lasa	0	2	2		4
Alex Zülle		2	1	0		3
Marino Lejarreta	1	1	1		3
Reimund Dietzen		0	2	1		3

— Preceding unsigned comment added by RobertCS (talk • contribs) 19:20, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pantani stage wins

According to his Wikipedia page, he won 8 stages of the Tour and another 8 in the Giro, so 16 overall. Shouldn't he be in the most stage wins list therefore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.55.5 (talk) 12:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Armstrong

Shouldn't the table list who was declared winner of the Tours when Armstrong wasn't listed? and the table of top totals winners, Armstrong should be listed and crossed out because the Tour now resumes listing him but crossed out. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 07:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The governing body never awarded a winner for those years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salestron (talk • contribs) 15:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Serena slam"

Whie no rider has won all three in a calendar year, Anquetil and Merx have held all three jerseys - Anquetil winning four tours in a row. Shoud we highlight this.

I would agree it should be added! Additionally with regards to Anquetil he wasnt referenced in the most consecutive winners section. Additionally, Merx only won 3 in a row not 4 unless the statistics above wrong/misleading as the giro tour and vuelta were not always in the same order. I am going to try to go figure out the dates involved to verify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salestron (talk • contribs) 15:46, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Women's Grand Tour

Add section about women equivalent. Which races were considered part of GT (and during what period), what was their categorization ....

Giro d'Italia Femminile
Tour de l'Aude Cycliste Féminin
Grande Boucle Féminine Internationale (two races were overlapping for 2 years - which was considered GT race)

This current article should have title "Men's GT", as it only is about men even though there is Women's GT.

213.149.61.164 (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Complete sweep

List of those who won all 3 GT races in a year. 213.149.62.46 (talk) 13:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]