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shogi kishi numbers

Hi.

Do you know why some players dont have numbers assigned to them?

I was trying to make a page on Michiyoshi Yamada using the JSA website for a reference like we usually do, but I essentially can't do much since he doesnt have a page on the JSA website. I dont understand why Satoshi Murayama gets a number but Yamada doesnt. – ishwar  (speak) 06:35, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ish ishwar: It might have to do with ja:将棋棋士一覧#棋士番号のない棋士. He died very young probably just right before they started giving out numbers. Murayama became a pro well after the number system started. — Marchjuly (talk) 07:10, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
i see. It's a peculiar reason to omit a player. I suppose i will just leave that stub alone. I might could translate the japanese article further (i've already implicitly done so for some dates), but it basically doesnt have any sources, so... – ishwar  (speak) 18:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ish ishwar: After you brought this up and I found no sources on Japanese Wikipedia about this, I've been trying to find something but have had no luck so far. While there have certainly been lots of books written about shogi over the years, there doesn't seem to have been many books written about the JSA itself or professional shogi as a system. Perhaps there are mentions about "no badge number" players in some book, maybe in a book about an older player, but it's probably just going to take a bit of luck to come across such source. It's a bit surprising that the JSA doesn't mention anything about this or these players any longer on their website, even as a brief note. There isn't even a link provided for Yamada here and he's not listed here. I even checked some older archived version where they used have a FAQ about things related to shogi, but couldn't find anything other about the badge system, but did find his old profile.
It's kind of seems like someone at the JSA made a decision not to create new profile pages for badgeless players like Yamada, or maybe whichever company created the JSA new website just left them out and nobody at the JSA noticed. I can't imagine website space concerns or cost being such an issue, especially these days, as to leave these players out. FWIW, after checking that Japan Wikipedia page again, it doesn't look like any pro who died Yamada is mentioned on the JSA's current website and many don't seem to be mentioned in the old archived version I found. Maybe somebody with a bit over control over these things is just getting even with some of these players. I'd imagine there are some shogi-related grudges which go back years. After all, the JSA still basically treats it's women pros as second-class even though FIDE seemingly has tried to move more towards equal status over the years, and Go doesn't seem to make any such distinction based on gender. I'm really hoping that Nishiyama breaks through and becomes the first woman to become a seikishi; it would be such a huge news story and might cause some major changes in the way the JSA does business. Not sure if you use the shogi live app, but the way some of the advertisements appearing on it portray women (basically T & A photos) seem so out of place in 2019, especially since the JSA talks alot about trying to increase the number of women and girls interested in the game. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nice find on that old archived page. I can use it as a reference. Thanks for checking.
The JSA is weird in this respect. I would hope they arent so petty as you suggest, but i did wonder if they were being dismissive of the ex-JSA women players that have vanished from their site. It could be seen as disrespectful.
Havent used that app much (my free game views are used up now). But, i've seen some sexist images on the cartoonish Shogi Wars app. So, seems like they are sending a message that shogi is man's game.
I'm rooting for Nishiyama too especially now that she's the only one close. But, practically speaking, it's hard for anyone of either gender to squeeze through that narrow gate. Given the tiny population of women in that tournament system, the probability of turning pro is pretty small. If it was 50% men/50% women in the 3-dan group, then i think it would be likely to happen eventually. Too bad that this is the way it is – i guess lots of women have fond memories of playing shogi as children with their grandfathers but they are culturally pushed elsewhere later in life. – ishwar  (speak) 18:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, i found there's a book written on Yamada. Well, i'm not going to buy the book, but i was able to cite the book cover to get a tiny bit sourced from the jawiki page. – ishwar  (speak) 21:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you've never seen ja:ふたりっ子, then you might want to track it down. It was quite popular, partly due to Habu's popularity, it was based in Osaka, but also because it was basically about a young girl discovering shogi and then growing up to be not only the first female seikishi, but also one of the strongest players. It's a bit corny because that's what NHK does with its morning serials, but still interesting. There are quite a number of professional shogi players making cameos and I believe the JSA either directly supported it and promoted it. It certainly tried and even still tries to take advantage of the show's popularity for its benefit. Unfortunately, the male-dominated structure of the JSA doesn't seem to have changed very since when the show aired in the mid-90s. There have been small steps made, like Shimizu becoming a board member, Satomi and Nakayama reaching 3-dan and better relations with the LPSA, but they're still losing some of their more popular female pros like ja:竹俣紅 who feel they have better opportunities somewhere else. Being able to make a living is important consideration for everyone, and women pros just don't make very much unless they are constantly appearing on TV or constantly winning tournaments. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:32, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Userpage: Aaruush2019

Hi, This is our first time creating an article in Wikipedia. Aaruush is our organization name. Hence, we had thought of putting the username as Aaruush2019. Could you please tell us what username should be used and how to change it. Also, please let us know the copyrights for images that are to be used. We are currently using our organization's images having our Watermark. And, we would like to change the page title too. Why is our username appearing as the Page title? Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Qaprcsi (talk • contribs) 09:58, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Qaprcsi. I'll try to answer your questions below.
  1. You seem to have figured out how to request a username change, and your new username seems to be fine. For reference, it's mostly the types of usernames listed in WP:IU which are unacceptable.
  2. The reason your user name is appearing as the page title is because you've created the draft on your user page. This is why I suggested you either move the content to a userspace draft or a regular draft instead. Your userpage has been tagged for deletion; so, if you going to do either of those things, you better do so before the content is deleted.
  3. Wikipedia is pretty strict about image licensing. You can find out more about this in WP:COPY#Guidelines for images and other media files and also in c:COM:L. Basically, whenever there's any doubt regarding copyright ownership, some sort of more formal verification is required. Just follow the instructions in the templates I add to the files you uploaded to Commons.
  4. Wikipedia accounts are not allowed to shared by multiple people per WP:SHAREDACCOUNT; so, if more that one person is using the Qaprcsi account, they should create their own Wikipedia accounts instead.
  5. Only subjects deemed to Wikipedia notable can have articles written about them. Please refer to WP:42 and WP:ORG for how this applies to your organization.
If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask for help at the Wikipedia Teahouse or ask them below; however, when you post anything at the Teahouse or on another editor's talk page, please remember to WP:SIGN your post. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You!We have done the necessary changes. Please go through the new draft article and let us know if any further changes are required.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Qaprcsi (talk • contribs) 13:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When you think your draft is ready, you can submit it for review by clicking the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button located near the bottom of the page. An experienced AFC reviewer will look over your draft and provide suggestions on things which need improving. The review process might take some time, but someone will eventually get to it. If the draft is declined, you can keep resubmitting it as long as you continue to make improvements and don't just keep re-submitting the same declined version(s) over and over again. If you're draft is ultimately not accepted no matter how many times you submit it, don't feel bad. It doesn't mean your organization isn't a good one and it isn't good things, it just means that it might not be something about which a Wikipedia article can be written. If you want some suggestions on how to write Wikipedia articles, try looking at Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also want to look at Wikipedia:Ownership of content, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for reference to. Finally, please remember to sign your talk page posts. You can find out how to do this in Wikipedia:Signatures. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:14, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you left a message on my talk page. A few things to say: 1. I used the visual editor, and the image was in the library. 2. Why are you saying that I violated the rules? That is the job of admins. 73.109.92.67 (talk) 03:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IP 73.109.92.67. Thank you for the message.
  1. I mistook the file you added (File:Bharatiya Janata Party (icon).jpg) for a different one (File:Bharatiya Janata Party logo.svg) added by another IP editor the day before. The file you added is from Commons uploaded under a free license; the one the other editor added was uploaded locally to Wikipedia as non-free content. So, I apologize if the {{uw-nonfree}} I mistakenly posted on your user talk page caused any confusion or ill will. Anyway, the Commons file you added has been nominated for deletion as a possible copyright violation; if it's deleted, which I think there's a fair chance of happening, then the non-free file of the BJP logo would still not be able to be used in List of largest political parties per Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. I'm not sure which files can be found in the visual library, but not all files uploaded to Wikipedia and Commons are licensed the same way. How a file is licensed pretty much determines how it can be used on Wikipedia, i.e. which policy/guideline its use falls under, and Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is quite restrictive.
  2. Any editor may remove a file or flag a file as a possible policy/guideline violation; moreover, any editor may notify/warn another editor of any possible violations related to file use or file uploads by posting something on their user talk page. Only an administrator, however, can block another editor, or delete a file.
Once again, please accept my apologies for mistaking the file you added for being a violation of Wikipedia policy. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:07, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HI there -- Wanted to reply to a message you posted on my talk page. Your original message was:

“Hi Taylorengstrom91. You've uploaded quite a number of non-free images for use in the article Vebjørn Sand. Non-free content use on Wikipedia can be quite tricky because Wikipedia's non-free content use policy tends to be quite restrictive in how such files may be used. While this policy generally allows non-free content to be used to support article content, the emphasis tends to be placed minimal and exceptional cases where there are really no other alternatives to using such files; this includes using text instead or images in cases where actually seeing the image is not really essential to the reader's understanding of the relevant article content. Anyway, there's a discussion about the images used in that article taking place at WT:NFCC#Vebjørn Sand; so, perhaps you could clarify a few things about the images. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)”

To which I'd like to reply with:

This is a famous painter, it’s hard to talk about his historically charged motifs without showing his paintings - and since paintings are copyright protected from "the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device." Would you recommend going the route of a free license like the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic or something else? It sounds like Fair Use won't work for us. Let me know!

--Taylorengstrom91 (talk) 16:21, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Taylorengstrom91[reply]

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