User talk:MBarness1234

This account is a suspected sockpuppet of Alwaysrightman (talk · contribs · logs) and has been blocked indefinitely.
Please refer to the sockpuppet investigation of the sockpuppeteer, and editing habits or contributions of the sockpuppet for evidence. This policy subsection may be helpful.

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July 2019

Your recent editing history at Stephen Hendry shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. —Rutebega (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Block

I appear to have been blocked for making a similar edit to another editor who has been blocked, thus suggesting I am the same user. I can assure I have no connections with other editors and, as a snooker fan, am simply trying to create consistency between two pages. This is a debate which goes beyond a few editors and Wikipedia. I am actively engaged in a discussion with other editors and therefore politely ask that my account be unblocked so this can be resolved. MBarness1234 (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Rutebega: Message text. MBarness1234 (talk) 22:11, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MBarness1234, to appeal your block you will need to ask ST47 (talk · contribs). Read WP:GAB for more information. —Rutebega (talk) 22:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ST47: Please can I appeal against my block. I am currently in active discussions with other editors on the Stephen Hendry talk page to try to resolve this ongoing edit issue and cannot participate whilst my account is blocked. MBarness1234 (talk) 23:14, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

MBarness1234 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Please can I appeal against my block. I am currently in active discussions with other editors on the Stephen Hendry talk page to try to resolve this ongoing edit issue and cannot participate whilst my account is blocked.

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
the block is no longer necessary because you
1. understand what you have been blocked for,
2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla (talk) 10:49, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Yes you can appeal a block, and in fact you are currently doing this. However, this appeal will probably be declined, as it doesn't address the block reason, which was Abusing multiple accounts: Please see: w:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alwaysrightman. There is a guide on appealing blocks at WP:GAB. Jannik Schwaß (talk) 06:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

MBarness1234 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I would like to appeal against my block on the basis that the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia. I have been blocked on the belief that I am associated with another user called Alwaysrightman who engaged in disruptive editing to the Stephen Hendry page and was, as I understand, permanently blocked. This is not the case. I recognise that I have attempted to make similar edits to that applied by Alwaysrightman as I agree with the basis of his/her edits. However, please note that debates about the status of the achievements of the subject of the Wikipedia page (Stephen Hendry) go beyond a few editors or Wikipedia itself. Importantly, what distinguishes me from Alwaysrightman is that I do not agree with the manner in which he/she has attempted to make their edits and have instead engaged in a discussion with other editors on the Stephen Hendry talk page. I would like to have my block removed so I can engage in these discussions and resolve the issue rather than seeing other editors like Alwaysrightman enter into an edit war. MBarness1234 (talk) 11:50, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

I have examined the edits and find that this account is behaviorally a sock of User:Alwaysrightman. Therefore, this account will remain blocked.

A word of advice: As easy as it can seem to try to deceive the Wikipedia community, I assure you that it is easier to play by the rules. Asking for the block to be lifted on Alwaysrightman might have worked before. However, instead of appealing, you chose to violate Wikipedia policy further by abusing a second account. When you were blocked for that, you made false statements to Wikipedia administrators. At this point, even a simple apology and promise to engage in discussion will not result in Alwaysrightman's block being removed, and if you are still interested in an unblock, you should read WP:SO, and ask an administrator how you want to proceed in six months. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 06:59, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

@L235: On what basis have I made “a false statement”? I have provided my rationale for appealing. If you do not consider it to be true you should state this as your opinion rather than as a matter of fact. I consider your comments disrespectful and hurtful. MBarness1234 (talk) 08:36, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have explained that I have examined the edits and have found that this account is behaviorally a sock of User:Alwaysrightman. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 09:23, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@L235: It then looks as if you have not properly considered the key part of my reasoning for appealing and, in particular, my point that the subject of this debate goes beyond Wikipedia and the views expressed are not confined to a few editors. Therefore, simply because I have engaged in behaviour similar to another editor does not make me the same person. I merely agree with their views and, as noted, have taken a different approach to resolving the issue. MBarness1234 (talk) 10:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]