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Pride or magnanimity? This entire article seems to be built up around an incorrect premise

I'll begin by saying, Aristotle does not at all say that pride is a virtue. That's a bad translation. The word megalopsuchia, as this article even mentions, can also be translated as magnanimity or greatness of soul. And both of those are far better translations than "proud" (mega = magna = great, psyche = anima = soul). What Aristotle describes (Ethics IV, 3) is not the "proud man" but the "magnanimous man", as cited by St. Thomas Aquinas in the Summa (II-II, 129, 1).

There's a huge difference between magnanimity [magnanimitate] and pride [superbia] and piety [pietas]. And I will point not, all of western civilization knew the distinction. It was not until relatively recently (I'm guessing during the Enlightenment) that the concepts became confuted with one another. So while it's true, that in English we sometimes use the word "pride" quite loosely, pride itself has nothing to do with magnanimity or with piety. The word "pride" strictly refers only to the vice of pride [superbia]; any other use of "pride" (in everyday speech) is only by way of analogy. And as such, I don't think the article on pride should include these analogous usages. Maybe it should link to their respective pages and such, but I'm not seeing why the bulk of this "pride" article has to do with things other than pride.

98.115.103.26 (talk) 12:38, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Superbia: the Latin word for pride" = WRONG TRANSLATION!

Hello,

i'm italian.

"superbia", other than a latin word, is currently also an italian word, that means a negative mix of "arrogance", "haughtiness", "insolence", sometimes paradoxly related to a big inconscious ignorance.

on italian language, "pride" is "orgoglio", in a not always positive acception (unfortunately), but surely most positive than "superbia" (that's always negative).

please check this.

regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.176.233.131 (talk) 09:13, 19 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

..."superbia" is *almost* always negative; only in evident friendly situation, as sign of very big and particular applause to someone - something, can have a positive meaning; example: "che superba opera d'arte!" ("what a incredible great, fantastic, excellent, ruling, magnificent, superlative artwork!") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.176.233.131 (talk) 09:30, 19 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And I am pretty sure it is the same in Latin: I don't recall ever seeing superbus or superbia as a positive thing.203.56.42.0 (talk) 01:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EB1911

See the section #Merge with Hubris and Vanity

With "Revision as of 16:01, 21 June 2008" this article had text and citations merged into it from Hubris and Vanity a merge that was later partially undone. One of the items that remained on this page was the template {{1911}}.

The template was initially on the article "Hubris" see Revision at 12:47, 13 June 2008 and "merged" into this one. The other article "Vanity" that was merged into this article carried no such template (see Revision 16:41, 19 June 2008.

The addition of the template t{{1911}} to the article Hubris was made by an IP address with Revision as of 20:12, 28 July 2005 presumably to support the edit imidiatly before it Revision as of 20:12, 28 July 2005 none of those additions are in this text.

Without an article or a volume and page number this is less than helpful because it states that somewhere in 40,000 entris in the 29 volumes of the EB1911 there may be some text copied into this article but I am not going to tell you were (it has articles in alphabetic order of Vol 13: "Hübner, Joseph Alexander, Count Huc", "Évariste Régis"; Vol 22: "Prick posts", "Pride, Thomas" and "Prideaux, Humphrey"; Vol 27: "Vanilla", "Vanini, Lucilio", "Vanloo, Charles Andrew".

So I am removing the template from this article. I am also removing "Fisher, Nick (1992)" which was originally added to Hybris by the same IP address at the same time that {{1911}} was added to the article Hybris to support the same facts.

I suggest that someone else looks through the "References" section and removes any that are not currently cited, as they appear to be cruft of the sort old article tend to accumulate (like barnacles on a ship). -- PBS (talk) 10:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]