Talk:Modest Mouse
"A new album is widely expected to be released sometime in early 2006."
Source for this?
It is my understanding that "widely accepted" simply means "rumored". I would cut that line, at least until somebody can confirm the information.
Tom Peloso?
he is not a fucking member of the band. whoever keeps adding it STOP and list a reason why he is a member when he just 'guest stars' in Good News For People Who Love Bad News, OK?69.234.113.231 05:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Members
How many people are there? It gives three names but it looks like four in the picture. Can someone clarify this please? HereToHelp (talk) 01:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- Just from reading the article here it looks like they started as a 3-piece, then when the original drummer quit they expanded to 4-piece (adding a second guitarist in addition to the new drummer). Then the original drummer rejoined the band, replacing his replacement (confusing?: yes). Under the list of bandmembers it says "former member?" next to the second guitarist, so they either reverted back to their original 3-piece line-up or are still a 4-piece (and the question mark makes me think people don't know one way or another). This is just based on my reading the article here... Blogbourri 03:29, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Are you serious, read the article, they have four in the picture because it was taken before the two members left and were replaced by Jeremiah Green. Therefore, when it says former members it means that they left the band and the picture is older than the information.
That picture is a screenshot of their performance on Saturday Night Live, which is after Jeremiah Green returned. Dann Galluci was not replaced, he left fairly recently; his last show was late 2005. The Modest Mouse roster changes pretty frequently, and I think there were additional performers (members or not) offscreen in that picture. However the listing of band members near the end of the article is completely accurate as far as I'm aware.
i think its pretty dumb how this new guy is co-writing the songs. i doubt whatever he comes up with is gonna be as good as brocks stuff.
while I am also worried about modest mouse breaking down because of this-- you can't really call him a new guy. I mean, he played with the Smiths for ---'s sake
WHere did you get this info
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I heard it's supposed to come out this year from a reliable source... That is if Epic doesn't push it back to make a bunch of promotional deals... like last time.
The info on the origin of the band's name needs a citation. I've always heard that "modest mouse" was one of the phrases Brock had to repeat as a child as part of speech therapy for his lisp. 66.9.126.26 22:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- That information about the new album fails the Google test. I only got a handful of random forums buzzing around. Rolling Stone said Brock got decked out one night and broke his jaw. I assumed that's where his lisp came from. LockeShocke 12:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- I recall reading somewhere (I forget where so ignore this as you see fit I suppose) an article in which someone who had known him since childhood described the lisp as one of his definitive qualities. However I think I could find an article in which he explains the origin of "modest mouse" (which is as the article says it is). Pance 23:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
New Picture
We need a better picture. try the one on their myspace
Concerning the term "indie"
I don't have much of a problem with it, but seeing as how they're on Sony, a major record label, is the term "indie" really all that fitting for Modest Mouse?
- It's appropriate. Indie rock is more of a musical style than an indication that a band is independent. Rhobite 03:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, "Indie Rock" is just going to cause disputes about the definition. I think we should use alternative. We don't want a revert war.
- Indie rock has been used as a genre term for about twenty years, so it's valid to use. The concept of "indie" is covered at Indie (music). So there shouldn't be any confusion. I mean, does signing to a major label automatically mean your genre changes? I would beg to differ. WesleyDodds 00:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe if you signed to something like Murder, Inc. Indie Rock could also be consider Post-Alternative? Hm.
Listening to this band for the first time, it sounds like it fits neatly into the post-rock category to me. Compare to Mogwai, for example. Icemuon 18:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Obviously the above entry is a joke, as they're certainly not anything remotely close to post-rock. A select few songs are fairly long and more instrumental in nature, but again, the stylistic similarities to a band like Mogwai, Talk Talk, Slint, Godspeed You Black Emperor etc. are extremely slim.
Changing record labels does not change a bands genre of music. Indie as a genre is terrible to begin with. Not one "Indie" band sounds like the other. Influences range from electronica to Joy Division to the Rolling Stones to Pop. Interpol is an ALTERNATIVE band. Joy Division is an ALTERNATIVE band. Modest Mouse? ALTERNATIVE. Sunny Day REal Estate is an ALTERNATIVE band. Sonic Youth is an ALTERNATIVE band. Pixies = ALTERNATIVE. Alternative stems from punk rock. It's smarter; more experimental. Independent Rock? No. Just no. Independent Rock refers to the record label NOT THE SOUND. You don't sound independent you are indepedent. Modest Mouse is (clearly) an Alternative rock band. Let us please leave it at that because it makes so much more sense. - Aaron
- What Aaron is right in pointing out is that, originally, the term indie referred to an independent label. It's since been thrown around so much that it is almost an identifiable sound. But the culture that Indie represents is one of rebellion against the Big 5. Because Modest Mouse, currently, is signed to one of those labels, I think it's appropriate instead to call them technically alternative -- "with an indie sound." That's the most appropriate IMHO. LockeShocke 12:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Rape
Why is there no mention of the incident where Isaac Brock, the singer of the band was accused of rape? -Lusy
- Because it is discussed at Isaac Brock.--Hraefen 19:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Critical/commercial success
- Not once in this article is there a single mention of critical success. Considering that "The Lonesome Crowded West" and "The Moon and Antarctica" are considered by many critics and tastemakers to be amongst the defining albums of their time, I find this lacking. Also, considering that "Good News..." has sold well over a million copies now, I think it's time that is noted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanJohnston (talk • contribs)
- Yeah well, considering that there are plenty of people who think Modest Mouse are repetitive, banal, and mind-numbingly idiotic, it's good that this article fits okay in NPOV, huh?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.146.18 (talk • contribs)
- Please sign your comments. Well-cited quotes mentioning that Modest Mouse has long been critically acclaimed and that their last album sold well is in no way a contradiction of NPOV.--Hraefen 15:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Album done June 26?
Where, exactly did this information come from?
"As of June 26, 2006, the band has finished its recording in Oxford, MS at Sweet Tea (Dennis Herring) and has returned to Portland, OR to finish overdubs and mixing of the latest album. Johnny Marr is a confirmed member of the band, co-writing songs for the new album with Isaac Brock."--71.226.108.172 06:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Name Conceived Differently?
I know that it's a common rumor that the name of the band came from the Russian composer Modest Moussorgsky. Can somebody see a relevant place where we can include this information or whether we should include it at all?
Geoff 06:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard yet another version of this story; Modest Mouse was a phrase that Isaac Brock had to repeat as an exercise for speech therapy to help correct his lisp.
Erm, the name came from a book Isaac read. He even said so in interviews. - Oatis
Isaac Brock has given multiple explanations as to the origin of the name. Perhaps that should be noted.
"Most Music Fans"
I removed the following lead in to the sentence describing the reaction to The Moon and Antarctica: "Despite lacklustre support from most music fans..."
There is no way to prove this and it's irrelevant as far as I can tell.