Category talk:Formula One championship–winning cars
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Inclusion criteria
Is this category only for cars that won the Constructors title? Or is it also for those which took drivers to the drivers title? Persoanally I think the category title suggests that cars that took drivers to the drivers titles should be included too. Because remember the construtor wins the championship, not necessarily the car. The car in which Farina took the 1950 title (not included) is therefore as much of a championship winning car as the car which took Benetton to the title in '95 (included).
It may also be worth including a sentence to make the scope of the category clear.
SSSB (talk) 16:47, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Looking at the articles included in the category, it appears to be cars which have won the constructors' title. I agree a sentence defining the scope would be a good idea. DH85868993 (talk) 08:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- @DH85868993: What about my proposal to expand the scope of the list to include cars which took F1 drivers to drivers titles. In my mind the car that took Schumacher to the title in '94 is just as much a title winning car as the car which took Williams to that years constructors title. And the infobox has fields for both constuctors and drivers titles won.
SSSB (talk) 09:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)- I don't really mind either way, as long as the scope is clearly defined. I've advertised this discussion at WT:F1 in the hopes of getting some more input (I'm not sure how many people would be watching this category). DH85868993 (talk) 10:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- I would suggest deleting the category entirely. There is no (and there has never been a) championship for models of car, so I feel like unless you can find a reliable source which produces there own list of championship winning cars this category is just original research. For example, if the category is currently for models which "won" the manufacturer's championship, why is the Brabham BT20 not included when it scored points towards Brabham-Repco's 1966 and 1967 championships? Unless you just go off the stats/definition used in some source, this category will consist of original research since you somehow have to define what consitutes a car winning a championship (whether it be driver or constructor) - do you count only point-scoring finishes (what about countbacks using non-points scoring finishes or dropped points from earlier years?)? Do you include all cars a manufacturer/driver raced in? Entered in? A7V2 (talk) 03:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- [1] for the drivers championship winning cars. The BT20 is clearly not considered a part of the category because it is resonsible for approx. 8% of the points for that year. If this isn't satisfactory you could take it to WP:CfD.
- It also doesn't awnser my question if the category exists would you support adding cars which took drivers to championships (i've provided a source so it isn't WP:OR), if not, why?
SSSB (talk) 10:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)- Fair point... I do think it would be good, if the category is to be kept, to include cars which won the drivers' champtionship (using those from the article you mentioned). I don't think I feel strongly enough about it to bother taking it to CfD since presumably both you and DH85868993 don't feel like it should be deleted and the category may still be useful to readers, even if it's not, strictly speaking, "correct". I definitely agree with DH85868993 that the scope needs to be clearly defined, and maybe the description could be changed to something like "cars which were driven to win the World Championship..." or something to that end since that would be more "correct". A7V2 (talk) 11:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I would suggest deleting the category entirely. There is no (and there has never been a) championship for models of car, so I feel like unless you can find a reliable source which produces there own list of championship winning cars this category is just original research. For example, if the category is currently for models which "won" the manufacturer's championship, why is the Brabham BT20 not included when it scored points towards Brabham-Repco's 1966 and 1967 championships? Unless you just go off the stats/definition used in some source, this category will consist of original research since you somehow have to define what consitutes a car winning a championship (whether it be driver or constructor) - do you count only point-scoring finishes (what about countbacks using non-points scoring finishes or dropped points from earlier years?)? Do you include all cars a manufacturer/driver raced in? Entered in? A7V2 (talk) 03:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't really mind either way, as long as the scope is clearly defined. I've advertised this discussion at WT:F1 in the hopes of getting some more input (I'm not sure how many people would be watching this category). DH85868993 (talk) 10:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- @DH85868993: What about my proposal to expand the scope of the list to include cars which took F1 drivers to drivers titles. In my mind the car that took Schumacher to the title in '94 is just as much a title winning car as the car which took Williams to that years constructors title. And the infobox has fields for both constuctors and drivers titles won.
Given the amount of time this has been open and the lack of opposition I'm going to go ahead and do it.
SSSB (talk) 11:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)