Talk:Night photography

I've just finished reworking the published photographers list, and included some representative works for each photographer. I've also removed the link to each photographer's personal site - Wikipedia is not a link farm, nor is it an advertisement site. One photographer I removed who is definitely notable, but I couldn't find any night-specific work by him, was Bill Brandt. If there is such a work, please add it back in and list that work. A couple of the photographers who were in the published list, but only appear to sell prints from their personal sites, I've moved to the other night photographers list, in the external links section. I'm not too sure I like the links on them either, but I'll leave them for now. — Wwagner 15:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with new article?

A new non-encyclopaedic article Night photography tips has been created. I believe that it would make more sense to merge relevant parts into this article. Velela 08:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that, although interesting, the new article isn't encyclopedic. Since it's basically a how-to, it's probably more appropriate to transwiki it over to wikibooks. — Wwagner 13:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggested on Picturetokyo's talk page (the author of the tips article) that the information could be rephrased as issues or difficulties and included in this article. It's not really a book or a large piece of information. --Imroy 16:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the suggestion to merge.SteveHopson 17:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I've added two new sections - "Technique and equipment" with some of the info from the "tips" article, and "Subjects" with a short list of things typically photographed at night. What do people think? I had a little trouble with my overuse of uncertain adjectives e.g "often", "usually", "may", etc. I have difficulty wording stuff that has to be encyclopedic and therefore authoritative, but also being general and allowing options. This could be used, but might not, or this other thing could be used as well.... --Imroy 01:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of "Additional night photographers" list

It doesn't belong here. First, as I said in the edit summary when I removed the list, it's just a big pile of promotional links (see links normally to be avoided, number 4), also known as external link spamming. Almost all of those links are to sites where the photographers in question sell their work. Wikipedia is neither a soapbox (number 2), nor is it a link repository (number 1), nor a directory. — Wwagner 14:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Photographers listed here should meet the tests of notability for photographers (WP:Bio), and have a Wiki article. Otherwise this list becomes a link farm and that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. SteveHopson 15:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree * 2. Thanks/wangi 16:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So if instead the photographer links to his or her own wiki page that would be acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.36.116.37 (talk • contribs)

Of course. The "Significant published night photographers" section already has a few wikilinks. But before you run off and create a whole bunch of articles for people you want to link to, I should warn you that Wikipedia has rules about notability. Unless the subject is notable, the article is just going to be deleted. --Imroy 20:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I was not signed in for the above. I dont mean to cause wiki any trouble and find it very useful and hope to add to it but often find it hard. I made the comment above yours. Notability is hard to define and to whom is the better question. Im sure a father is notible to his children but other families in the world could care less. Maybe someone is notible in a genre and if you wernt interested in it you wouldnt think so at all. I made the page Leonard Carlson as mine was one of those listed to be removed.--Picturetokyo 20:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More images

If anyone feels we'd benefit from a few more images on the article then I'm willing to upload some from my gallery at http://www.pbase.com/wangi/night - let me know. Thanks/wangi 16:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think your photos are really good and should be included in article, either as an addition or a replacement for either current photo. SteveHopson 17:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm off on holiday tomorrow for a few weeks - if you suggest a few from the gallery and post the links here I'll upload them on my return. Thanks/wangi 23:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]