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June 2020

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for General WP:CIR and personal attacks.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  TonyBallioni (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sorry to see this, although I can't help but agree with the rationale - Galendalia, I'm sorry to see you blocked like this, I hope you can take a bit of a break, maybe look at WP:SO, and if you feel ready to contribute positively, request an unblock. Whatever happens, all my best goes to you and yours - wherever you are, stay safe and well. Cheers, -- puddleglum2.0 19:45, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Galendalia (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

You have blocked me for something in which not one single editor involved in any discussion has met any of these requirements as stated in WP:CIR in which you are claiming to have blocked me for.


Violated by numerous editors and even admins:

  1. "come down hard like a ton of bricks on someone as soon as they make a mistake."
  2. It does not mean we should ignore people and not try to help improve their competence. In fact for most, it was quite the opposite
  3. It does not mean that Wikipedia's civility policy does not apply when talking to people about required competence. Rude and uncivil comments are discouraging, and can raise psychological barriers against recognizing one's mistakes or improving one's skills.

Responding to suspected lack of competence - How many times was I called incompetent and told to find something else to do? Count all of them please then you will realize why I have been such an ass to certain people.

  1. One must take care when responding to the perceived lack of competence in others. Be mindful of what incompetence is and is not. Incompetence is not lack of knowledge. Responding to competence issues requires care and understanding of the background of a situation. - Again see above statement
  2. Repeated mistakes: If a user is making repeated mistakes, verify whether the user has been given any advice or instruction in how to do things correctly. Most users want to contribute productively but simply may not know how to do so. If it appears no-one has explained a problem with their edits, doing so should always be the first step. There are two ways to explain mistakes, (a) direct explanation and (b) showing the better way. In either case, use their talk page to introduce yourself, provide diffs while explaining the problems, and direct them to further readings or to forums such as Wikipedia:Teahouse or Wikipedia:Help desk. In the vast majority of cases, this will be sufficient and no further action will be needed. - Not once did this happen by the administrators or editors in these ANI's did this happen. Instead, it was about me and my "incompetence" in other areas of WP.
  3. Alleging incompetence: It is generally inadvisable to call a person "incompetent" or their editing "incompetent". While being direct with problems is advisable, it is possible to be direct without being insulting. Telling people their work displays incompetence does nothing to improve their work; it only serves to put them on the defensive, making them less receptive to instruction. - Look at the comments especially from Prax and Pony. Enough said. Notice that this causes people to be on the defensive so yes a lot of times I have been on the defensive based on comments from these editors and admins.
  1. Before bringing an issue to the incidents noticeboard or another similar venue, you should have exhausted all reasonable attempts to communicate with the user and correct their behavior. Use their talk page, explain things to them, and demonstrate how to do things correctly. - This was very rarely done and it was only done by the few who have interacted with me on a reasonable level and not attack me. By implementing this "Essay" as a reason for my block is not a policy however an attack to sequester me from constructively editing pages as I have been doing.

I am requesting (since I am blocked) that this go to arbitration since I cannot open the request myself and that no one involved in the discussion, nor the blocking admin review this request.

This is a blatant misuse of Administrative powers in order to silence me from a dispute.

Decline reason:

I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that

  • the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, or
  • the block is no longer necessary because you
    1. understand what you have been blocked for,
    2. will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and
    3. will make useful contributions instead.

Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Primefac (talk) 19:44, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 19:39, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Block Comment

Primefac one of the reasons I was blocked is because I edited a users page by correcting the COI. Well guess what, the policy on WP:COI states I can do this by stating Note that someone else may add this for you. The policy should be changed if you guys are going to block someone for this. I have every right to defend myself if someone else is accusing me of wrong doing when it is right in your own policies. Same with the speedy deletion in which I exactly quoted and was still told I misread it when it exactly states whether you or others put it there which has been my argument about all of this. But again, I was told I was incompetent on this and basically being told I can’t read English and I misinterpreted it. What is there in that statement to misinterpret? That was never explained because the admins can’t explain it, instead they want to elaborate on me being an ass and telling them to “fuck off” and “go to hell” and “I didn’t want their POV” as I wanted the POV from the admin who started this and he/she still never explained how I misinterpreted this statement. Instead admins piled up on me and are claiming I caused them to do more work. None of those two things needed to be undone as by policy I have every right as an editor to follow policy and a) report what I see (not investigate) and b) fix the COI code on someone’s page as they didn’t put it in properly and by policy I am allowed to do so. This went from my content editing being disruptive because they could not prove why they even took me to ANI based on these statements which I have maintained throughout the process to making it about what I said to others. No one seems to care about how I was talked to or how admins handled this with me but god forbid I stand up to admins and prove my point and since they had no proof that what I did on these 2 edits broke policy it turned into an admin pile on against me. My next step is going to be arbitration for the abuse of administrative powers to silence me and the way I’ve been treated since day one from certain individuals and since you’ve blocked me I’ll need to email this in. I will not apologize for my remarks until the admins and other editors involved in these discussions and accusations apologize to me for their behavior towards me. Add to that the templated response for denying my appeal to the block which doesn’t even address one single thing I brought up but instead puts all the blame on me. Yeah good try. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 00:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nick: also adding you since you closed the topic as Tony blocked me against your own policies in which he stated the diffs in the initial complaint were enough to warrant the block. Actually both of the items I performed are in the policies as something that I as an editor am allowed to do. See links above. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 00:23, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think telling Ponyo “fuck you too” is in line with our policies. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:34, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TonyBallioni: Neither is an admin telling me I’m so incompetent that I can’t read a simple statement that says whether you or others put it there and that I misinterpreted it. It started with me doing nothing wrong. I’ve never had any conversations with Ponyo but they seem to have a lot to say about me for never once having any interaction with me except on the ANI board. When the admins and I guess I can call them senior editors throw out the WP:Bait and I take it, I’m the fool for doing so. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 00:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So when an involved admin advises you it's harassment, but when an uninvolved one does they're still wrong because you have never had any conversations with them? I hope you see the slight logical issue there. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 00:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Galendalia, some unsolicited advice: go take a break. Seriously: click log out, turn off your computer, and do something else. Take your mind off Wikipedia for a while. You aren't on a path toward being unblocked at the moment, and continuing will not help anything. You were blocked not just because of the edits you made, but how you interacted with other people while making those edits. You have rushed into several situations, made mistakes, and then attacked or dismissed those who have disagreed with your actions. For an unblock request to be successful, you must account for your problematic behavior, not repeat it. When you are ready, you can come back. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 00:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Galendalia: this is good advice that AntiCompositeNumber is giving you. I wanted to add that you are misunderstanding several things. First, only about 20% of the people who pointed out that there were problems are admins. Most of the people posting at ANI are not admins, although several are (Ponyo, TonyBallioni, and Primefac above, for example). You frequently referred too me as an admin, but I am not one. (You can enable "Navigation popups" to quickly see what rights a user has). Second, perhaps if you politely ask one of the above admins for the precise reason you were blocked, it will help you to understand your situation. You can then think about it, and if you come back, correct your actions. From just about everything you have posted above and on ANI, I get the feeling you do not understand why you were blocked or ran into problems. It is not really about your content edits as far as I can see, but rather about how you responded. But I am not an admin and I did not block you. So ask one of the admins (politely). ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:57, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@M Imtiaz: I’m not sure where you get harassment from as that has nothing to do with this conversation or the reasons I’ve been blocked.

@AntiCompositeNumber: I hear you. It’s not about just me though. It’s also about the admins and senior editors also needing to be held accountable for their actions. If I get attacked I’m attacking back. That’s me. I pointed out that I did follow policy in the two things listed in this ANI but not one person even looked into it and said “oh he is right, the policy does say that. It was AGF. Instead it was a pile up on me saying I’m incompetent amongst other things. Just like with the project. I didn’t create nor post the OMBoxes someone else did but yet I got blamed for creating them. I only created one which I accepted responsibility for and understood what they were saying and let it go. Yet the conversation ended up involving other editors who once again blamed me for doing it when an experienced editor created them and put it up of which I didn’t even ask for but instead of admins faithfully executing the who and the why, it was a pile up on me again. Just like everything else. Like I stated some users I’ve never had interactions with but when I’m in ANI they write 4 paragraphs on me but not once followed their own advice of pointing me in the right direction. It’s a common issue in this world with people in management. They want the title and pay but want everyone else to do the work. Granted to my knowledge no one gets paid in the admin group but I do not know that. I asked for the block to be reviewed with all evidence and that wasn’t even done. It was a quick glance and templated response. How is that fair to editors? I have backed off of everything and I mentioned numerous times and I mean numerous times in the first ANI about being the project coordinator for spoken. Not one single person said a word about it. The moment the ANI was closed I was getting pummeled (again) for going somewhere I had no business being and even one person made the comment to the effect of you haven’t even recorded one thing so how can you lead the project. It doesn’t matter if I have recorded anything or not. I do not like my voice. I never have. I don’t even like talking on the phone. Doesn’t mean I cannot effectively run a project especially considering I’m an IT Project Management Certified professional. I could have easily called that person out but I didn’t. I let it go. Matter of fact I don’t even think it was a full 48 hours after the first ANI that I was addressed by an admin for the project in which they never stated prior any objection and then they proceeded to state that I’m breaking my own promise of staying away from things. Boom! There it was. Yet another attack on me. I think I’ve said enough to get my point across. I’m going to start working on the email and the list of names for submission. Thank you though Anti for always being helpful and helping me out when I’ve asked you questions. That was appreciated. @ThatMontrealIP: my apologies for saying you were an admin as you do come off as one. However the rest still stands as I was correct in what I did and I pointed that out to you on my talk page but instead of apologizing to me you accused me of misinterpreting a statement which very, very clearly states I can do that as an editor and instead of saying anything else you kept defending your statement instead of seeing what I wrote then took me to ANI with the subject of “Galendalia, Again” that is what pushed me over the edge. Plus the fact you didn’t notify me made it even worse. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 01:15, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure where you get harassment from - Special:Diff/961198209, enough said? M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 01:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Galendalia, You clearly don't understand your situation. Just ask one of the admins (politely) why you were blocked. You can't get unblocked without some understanding, which you do not currently have. That said, thank you for your contributions and I wish you well. I am going to unwatch this page.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS do not bother with arbcom as you do not qualify as a type of block that they would review. Your block is justified and reasonable.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I received a short block (a justifiable one) when I first began editing and had my unblock request accepted within a few hours, so I’ll give you some first hand advice. If you want an unblock request to be accepted, you firstly need to understand the reason of your block, so taking ThatMontrealIP's advice would be wise; politely ask an admin for the exact reasons for your block. Acknowledge and understand the reasons, take full responsibility for your actions and make it clear that you will not engage in whatever actions lead to the block. Explain what steps you’ll take to avoid those same actions and how you’ll handle any similar incidents in the future. Anything else other than that will likely be met with a standard template or something along the lines of "I’m not satisfied with your request, declined." As ThatMontrealIP said, arbcom probably won’t entertain your case, so it would be a waste of time. Just to clarify, I’m not pointing fingers and saying you’re in the wrong, but trying to get your point across in the manner you currently are will not lead to a positive outcome. I hope this helps. – 2.O.Boxing 01:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation of block please Comment

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hi @TonyBallioni: I am willing to work through what got me blocked. While I understand the personal attacks portion, I am requesting that you please explain to me how I am blocked under WP:CIR, please? Thanks, Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 17:27, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, gladly. So you were given what amounts to a final warning by Nick here. I don't feel like I need to repeat the events that led to that or occurred before that. Since then you did the following:
  1. Nominate a userpage that was normal for deletion (see also #Nominating a regular-looking user page for G11
  2. Provided an explanation for 1 above that shows you rushing in over your head into areas involving privacy and not understanding how it actually works
  3. Forced a COI box on a users user talk
  4. Edited the perfectly fine user page declaration of another user for similar reasons to the above
  5. Set up talk page archiving for a user without any apparent request
When some of these were brought up to you, you reacted with anger, derision, and personal attacks. Your response to being blocked is to blame me, and admin who can't remember ever interacting with you before blocking you, of misuing my tools in blocking for what is a pretty straightforward situation and attempt to start an ArbCom case over an ordinary block. While I suppose I am involved since I would be a party to said case, I can say fairly certainly that virtually any other administrator who reviews those threats will treat them as evidence that you aren't here to work on a collaborative project.
Ultimately, that is what this comes down to: you have received warnings and either not abided by them, moved on to other areas and started causing issues, or attacked the people who issued them. Once you were blocked, you attacked people who have no animosity towards you but were simply acting in an uninvolved manner. Someone with competency issues and anger issues is pretty much the definition of someone who is not capable of working on a collaborative project. If it were just one, then maybe we could have this as a topic ban or one week block. The problem is that it is both. When you have both problems it becomes a "not compatible for work on a collaborative project" block, and those are indefinite until you can convince the community you have changed as a person. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:41, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TonyBallioni: Thank you for pointing those out, please see my responses below:
Item 1 & 2 - When it came up on my screen I did not investigate as to when it was created and I regularly report any user page that has email or websites on it. I apologize for using the G11 template and to ThatMontrealIP for the way in which I treated them.
Items 3 & 4 - One did not have the complete code and the other did not have it at all. Both editors stated they had a COI and per the policy on WP:COI states I can do this by stating Note that someone else may add this for you. which is what I did which does not violate any policy. So this should be a moot point.
Item 5 - I was unaware I even did this as I was putting the welcome script on but I just added the auto archive script (.js) I found (same with the auto reply by enterprisy(sp?). I must have type in yes to add auto archive which I accept fault for.
I am going to ask you to strike out your comment above about me having a competency issue as that is a personal attack against me and I am far from it. I stated numerous times about me being involved in the project, my plans for the project were publicly posted and not one person ever said anything about it. Two days after the ANI was closed someone came down on me “like a ton of bricks” about WP:OWN. I also explained that I didn’t put the OMBOXES on all the pages to the project but I did put one on the Articles Recorded page. I was very nice to the user and even asked if there was a better way to word it. I did not complain about the take down or anything. However, that editor never responded until the very end with a brief statement and never even answered my question. That entire conversation with ToBeFree was very cordial and I even researched the edit filter and requested it as they suggested. This conversation is in my archives.

There was an issue with Ponyo, who inserted their POV into the conversation of a) everything had been addressed with TBF and b) accusing me of not following what I said I would do. So yes I got terse once again with them.

Ponyo - “You ran into significant issues with your involvement is GOCE and have now moved on to another project where you are showing major WP:OWN issues. This is concerning. I understand that Nick closed the AN/I thread as it had petered out, but just two days later you are asserting yourself in a role that you don't have the editing competence to fulfill. There is a very large gap between your desire to help and your ability to do so constructively”

My response “Sure if you say so. I haven’t been involved with GOCE since then. I accepted the feedback given above. I don’t have any showing of WP:OWN. I’m seeking feedback on ways to get people to join the project. Unfortunately that appears to be frowned upon too. WTF gives with you people? I don’t even know who the f*** you are but now you are on the prowl against me and the admin who had the issue hasn’t engaged in discussion yet with me but you make it a point to bring up shit that has been dealt and done with. Keep your POV to yourself I don’t want to read it. I’ve been doing everything on this project constructively and have seeked input and gotten it from across the board from numerous people and it went from no one participating to 5 people currently recording and one person has done a couple already including for today’s FA. So yeah. I’m not being constructive at all. I know I don’t own the project it is community based and participation is voluntary. Btw I have had this role since day one after seeking out questions and it was brought up numerous times during the ANI but since you appear to be seeking out ways to further damage me, maybe you missed the 4 or so times it was mentioned”

Yes my wording was not the best to say the least, however, my point is in there and this has been a consistent issue. I have done a lot of good things on Wikipedia with CV, and since the first ANI, I started working on redesigning the project of which one particular person had an issue with me doing and by them mentioning GOCE tells me they have followed me since my first week which is ok. But not once have they given any valuable feedback. All of their posts to me (or about me) were to come down on me and point out all the “wrong” I was doing and not once have they ever given any advice to help better me which is why I am not nice to them. This is not what should be expected of an admin. After the issue with Spoken Audio I just let it be, learned AutoWikiBrowser and WPCleaner and just started in on those articles. I also looked at edit requests and started those and if I could not make a solid decision that I felt confident about I left it for someone else to do. There were also some article talk pages (hence me finding the auto archive script) that had 60-200 posts on them so I set those to auto archive to help clean them up as part of WP:Bold.

Lastly, to address the recent ANI. I was working with TMIP and trying to resolve this when another user (not an admin) basically paraphrased the exact same thing TMIP states but then ended it with a) bringing up the old ANI and b) stating “you are on very thin ice”. While I could see that as a threat I didn’t, however, had they had something different to say it would have been accepted. If you look at the conversation you can see the resemblance. So to me this was serving as WP:Bait and I took it. That is why I was brought to ANI. There is a right way to be helpful and there is a wrong way and then there is a down right not here to help. Everything as of late seems to fall into the last 2 with a few exceptions.

These statements are in no way to really be used as excuses but to show why I did something with my rationale as to why I did them. I hope that you understand this. I have not opened any other cases. I apologize for saying you are misusing your tools but I feel like admins should look at all aspects and take them all into account and not just focus on the bad things or what the experienced editors or other admins say. Yes I’m on the newer side but I am still a human and deserve to be treated like one. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 03:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't read any of this, as it is far too long to respond to. I've already explained my block reasoning and explained my reasoning under WP:ADMINACCT. If you wish to appeal again you may by following the instructions at WP:GAB. I would suggest an appeal 80-90% smaller or otherwise its likely to be declined without anyone reading it. If you don't follow that advice, your talk page access is likely to be revoked. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TonyBallioni: Thank you for proving my point that admins just don’t care about what a “newbie” has to say and blowing them off. This was not an unblock request but figuring out how I “supposedly” violated something that you blocked me for but since you can’t even answer that. Take care as I’ve said enough and my point about admins has been proven. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 04:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) Galendalia, you are still failing to understand why you have been blocked. TonyBallioni has pointed out the reasons you have been blocked, and you literally respond in the same narcissistic tone that had you blocked in the first place. I personally (though this is just my opinion) don't agree with Praxidicae's statement claiming you are not here to build an encyclopaedia, as you have made some positive contributions, but the only reason that any order can be maintained on an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, is that you must accept mistakes! I can understand you feel like you've been ganged upon, it's a horrible feeling, I've been in the same situation before, but the way you deal with these situations is to deal with it and move on. If you want to get unblocked, maybe instead of denying all the claims against you, accept them, and move on. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 07:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Berrely: Thanks. He (not the user who said it in the ANI) has/have not answered why I’ve been blocked under WP:CIR and why he is calling me incompetent and he refuses to answer or provide an example. I admitted my mistakes in the above bit and I refuse to apologize to those who have come at me without ever once trying to help me out and instead just piled on me as all is mentioned above. WP:CIR is a serious accusation and without him providing proof is a serious breach of being an admin and the fact of the other things I am being accused of, I have shown my reasoning (very sufficiently and pointed to the policy) as to why I did it, however I still got blocked. I apologized for the ones that needed an apology. He even stated he’s not going to read it just like no one read my statements in the ANI and I got blocked. Sucks but oh well. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 08:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Galendalia, If you read here in the essay, you'll see it says
  • the ability to communicate with other editors and abide by consensus.
  • the ability to understand their own abilities and competencies, and avoid editing in areas where their lack of skill and/or knowledge causes them to create significant errors for others to clean up.

I understand you may not agree with some of the things said, but please read the policies that are linked as this is clearly what TonyBallioni is referring to. I have often disagreed with other editors, but I considered the circumstances and I thought it wasn't worth the fight. In this case Tony has outlined policies that he thinks you are breaking, and it is fine for you to disagree with him, no one is saying you can't have your own opinion, but in this case TonyBallioni is clearly right on the WP:CIR. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 08:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the first one yes no debate there; 2nd point nope because I didn’t cause any significant damage that caused people to have to clean up after me. This was the wrong template being added. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 08:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Galendalia, the second line is a fine example of what has happened; you have been overambitious. While it is encouraged to WP:BEBOLD it also says here to not go over the top. You've been here for 3 months, I've been here for 2 years and yet you've managed to get more edits than me. You trying to revive a Wikiproject after only 1 month on Wikipedia, not even having contributed a spoken recording to it. You prioritise quantity over quality, making many edits and often making mistakes. When users ask you in good faith, as they believe you are a more experienced editor, you use a harsh tone and start biting them instead of explaining what has happened. I probably couldn't take on the take on the task of reviving and "coordinating" a Wikiproject with over 3000 recordings, and likely neither could you. You are being too bold. You may not have caused significant errors yet, but you are on the path to doing so. I'm very sorry for being this harsh, I honestly hated writing this, but please listen to what other users have to say, and not just deny everything. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 08:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I’m concerned the block can stay. I’ve been medically cleared to go back to work so I’m just waiting to see where they put me and it looks like it will be downtown so I won’t have time to be on here anymore anyways. Cheers Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 08:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Galendalia, I hope you come back, I honestly do. As was said earlier. Take a break, lean back from Wikipedia. And, if you do come back, make small edits, not huge ones. I wish you the best.— Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 08:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Unblock Request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Galendalia (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I fully understand my actions about being uncivil towards others and the attacks I have made towards people. My goal is to a) not to respond to editors the way I have been and b) not to let other editors get under my skin. My track record shows outside of conversations, that I am here to build an encyclopedia and have made very many constructive edits in two months time and had rollback rights (removed after previous ANI). I am also willing to participate in discussions by being level headed and not reacting to the comments posted but to work towards a solution. My ANIs have been about the way I converse with others of which is a major fault of mine and I accept the responsibility and apologize for those words. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 10:15, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Please bear with me. I am composing this carefully. It may be a few minutes. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 01:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I cannot unblock you at this time. I am in full agreement with with Tony's assessment below. In one of the ANI's, there was a recommendation that you not attempt to return for a year or two. Generally, one can try after six months of constructive editing on other projects. I do not recommend attempting to return before December 10, 2020.

Summary. Though well intentioned, you are overly intense and aggressive, and unable to accept constructive criticism. You are potentially a good user, but you need to grow, and that will take time. It is recommended that, before requesting unblocking, you edit constructively on other projects for at least six months. At least a year would be better. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 03:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I guess it’s worth mentioning that I wrote WP:NOTCOMPATIBLE a few nights ago after dealing with all of the above to discuss our approach to these situations. If I had written it sooner that would have been the block rationale, but I still think it’s a fit. What we have in this situation is someone who fundamentally doesn’t get how Wikipedia operates. Their interactions with others as well as general competence issues (which they have not addressed satisfactorily either here or above, despite their claims) make them have a personality that just isn’t suited for a collaborative project. Feedback is met with angry attacks, and when they try to address the substance of the issue, they don’t actually address the concerns at all or show a fundamental misunderstanding of policy (especially on the COI issue.)
    The issue here is that we have an editor who is here in good faith to build the encyclopedia, but who for several reasons just isn’t a fit for what we expect from Wikipedians in terms of behaviour. Good faith isn’t enough to override these concerns: we need evidence that you’ve somehow changed your approach to how you’d interact with others fundamentally in the last few days. Everything you’ve done since that block has indicated you haven’t. In the light of everything else you’ve written, this unblock request looks like lipservice: saying the right things without sincerity. Actions speak louder than the words of an appeal, and I see no reason right now to think you’ve changed the way you’ll act on this project since I’ve blocked you. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ANI's? --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 01:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Permalinks to ANI's. Special:permalink/961655728#Galendalia, again and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1038#Editor removing blocked users' userboxen to tidy a project list. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 02:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Deepfriedokra: Thank you for the feedback. I guess it would be safe to say you have not previously seen my comments in another thread on my talk page, so I will address your concerns here:
*I have not touched DRN since then except to remove my name as a volunteer and the same with the Teahouse.
*For the archiving as I explained I was not paying attention and typed yes to add it with the Welcome template. This was not even addressed until Tony listed it above. I have apologized for it and stated I need to pay attention to it. This was a new script I found on Wikipedia and I put “yes” into the “create auto archive” box.
*The G11 - As I stated when pages are pulled up I automatically send CSD especially if there is email and such involved. There was something I read that stated along the lines not calling attention to it but let the admins know so yes I sent a CSD based on that criteria to get an admins attention in the fastest but most discrete way possible. What I was upset with was another user paraphrasing everything that was just told to me and then ending it with “you are on very thin ice.” To my knowledge that person is not an admin which can be construed as a threat.
*COI issues - As I have stated the user had 1/2 of the template up so I finished it for them so it looked right because the template doesn’t say what the conflict is unless you add the pages which is what I’m allowed to do (again as stated). The previous ANI was about me removing user boxes of which I have not done since. The other COI didn’t have the box but just a statement which didn’t link to the articles themselves as they are a paid editor. Again, the policies state any user is allowed to do this. The problem I see here is that we have two different policies for the same thing.
*CVU work. I think out of the couple hundred (maybe a thousand or so) two have been reversed.
*I also understand why you are bringing up the previous ANI, everything was explained and I have not broken any of my promises from that ANI.
As I’ve already stated it is my interactions with people that I deserved this block and I have, explained above with this unblock request, what I will be doing to address this on my end. You stated I need to work on editing another project. I know of none others than the infamous Wikipedia. No one has addressed my concerns in all of this (as in Galendalia I see your point....”, however, they are quick to pass judgement on me. Yes some people have expressed clarification and proper guidance but others have never had an interaction with me about anything and they continue to add to the pile of stuff against me in ANI which is not aligned with the goals of the project. Right now while I wait I’ve had plenty of time to think which is how I came up with my resolve about approaching others in conversation.

Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 04:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No I saw it. Please stop. You really need to stop debating with people. The essence of the unblock decline is in bold. Feel free to request another unblock if you think I erred in declining. --Deep fried okra (schalte ein) 09:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Deepfriedokra: - While I appreciate your response and decline, 1/2 of the block is because of me doing things against policy, being called incompetent, and many other things. I’m actually reading through all sorts of essays and policies now about blocking and reasons and trying to figure out why I was slapped with an indef for my first block when I see other users getting a lot less for the same things. I am not debating, I am pointing out the facts that once again are being dismissed. I have accepted the part of my words and attacks and have agreed to stop them. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate
See WP:NOTCOMPATIBLE, which describes this situation. Like I said, if I had written it before I blocked you, that’d be the block reason. On the competence points: you still have the G11 and COI points wrong, and policy does not say what you think it says there. You are simply not allowed to edit another user page except in exceptional circumstances. COI not being one. No one is ever forced to use that template as a declaration either. As to the G11, nothing in the relevant policy or the policy its based on remotely suggest using CSD as a way of requesting suppression, and suppression would have been declined anyway in this case as the individual appears to know enough about Wikipedia to be able to make the conscious choice of making their email public. That you don’t have the judgement to understand that is also a competence issue. You’re very likely to have your talk page access revoked soon if you keep posting essays and pinging people, which also goes to my point about overall compatibility. This block is not about good faith or learning, it’s about the issues you have with this project and the disruption that appears sure to resume if you were unblocked because of the compatibility issues. TonyBallioni (talk) 10:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@TonyBallioni: - I already apologized for the mistake on the CSD. As far as the COI WP:COI states a couple of times in various subsections in part “Note that other editors may add this template for you.” It is stated right there on the page. How can you block someone based on an essay and not a policy? This essay is your POV and I think to use that essay (or any essay) and suppressing me on my talk page is egregious to say the least. You are also continuing down the path of insulting me and making personal attacks by repeatedly stating I’m “incompetent.” I have asked you before to stop with that comment and you have failed to cease calling me incompetent. The above are not essays. They are answers to the questions/statements that were made by the declining administrator. I have also asked questions which have not been answered and I understand there are a lot of things going on in Wikipedia Land so I wait on a response. I also find it “weirdly funny” that when I post something as above for my unblock request or immediately above on my response, you chime right in before any other admin can do anything and you keep saying my talk page will be restricted from me editing it. I’m seeing this as harassment from you, an administrator none the less. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 11:14, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It’s fairly normal for the blocking admin to weigh in on such things. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:56, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving

A bit of topic from what's going on above, but shouldn't the archiving be reduced to something like 1 time per month? Numerous discussions are being necessarily archived. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 11:46, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Berrely: I haven’t changed it. It was set that way to keep the page clean. I’m going to change it in a moment. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 11:50, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick: - Thank you for pulling those out of archive and putting back on page. I didn’t want to break it so I’m glad you fixed it. Thankful as always Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 12:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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