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List of Formula One drivers who set a fastest lap[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of Formula One drivers who set a fastest lap/archive1

Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Following on from the polesitters list we have the list for drivers who have set a fastest lap in a Formula One Grand Prix. Looking forward to your comments which will be dealt with expediently. NapHit (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The lede is well written but I think the article would be greatly improved if it had one citation per line as seen in other FA F1 articles such as List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Michael Schumacher. ~ HAL 333 22:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need when the table is referenced by one ref. NapHit (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scratch that. I realized that each name was a link. I now Support ~ HAL 333 20:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Only a few minor points from me:

"From 2007," would be better as "Since 2007," IMO
StatsF1 is spelt wrongly in one ref
Fastest is spelt wrongly in one ref
It looks odd that "All figures correct as of the" is in italics but "2019 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix" isn't
Think that's it from me..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, ChrisTheDude, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from MWright96 (talk) 05:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

Comments from MWright96

Perhaps add a note that only the top ten can score a point for the fastest lap since 2019 as stated in the Formula One source?
Formula One and Grand Prix are overlinked in the first paragraph; the second time both terms are wikilinked should not be so
Please be consistent in linking the years to their respective seasons
"Schumacher achieved this during the 2004 and 2005 seasons, Räikkönen matched this in the 2008 season." - ESPN does not say that Schumacher achieved ten fastest laps in 2005. That accolade was achieved by Raikkonen that year, so a minor rewrite is needed

That's all my comments for this review. MWright96 (talk) 08:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, MWright96, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 19:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NapHit: There is a spelling error in the note in "Ony drivers who finish in the top ten are eligible to receive the point", which does not appear to be right after the sentence "This was reintroduced in the 2019 season" as per WP:SRF. Also the note template Template:Note label is no longer recommended for use as stated in the documentation. MWright96 (talk) 19:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, I rushed the edit without thinking. Should be all good now, MWright96. Thanks for the heads up on note label, I didn't know it was no longer recommended. NapHit (talk) 20:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support – MWright96 (talk) 05:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review from Woody

Source review from Woody

The first question is what makes StatsF1 a reliable source? It appears self-published and it is in the style of a blog. If it was the odd obscure fact then the argument of The Guardian have referenced it as taken on the pole sitters FLC would just about suffice. The issue here is the entire table is sourced to this dubious source.

Going off the review you mentioned previously, the fact the site is used by The Guardian is positive but apart from that, I can't 100% say where they source the info from, or who is responsible for publishing the site. I've added a source from Forix, which has an affiliation with Autosport, as a second ref for the table. One thing to point out is that they have Hamilton's figure as one lower than it actually is, otherwise, everything else is fine. Another option is to use the F1 archive on the official site as a general ref for the whole table. It doesn't explicitly state the figures as this list does, but it does list who had the fastest laps for each race from 1950 to the present day. NapHit (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing has changed from this this RSN thread as far as I can see. It is an amateur enthusiast's site as far as I can make out. Looking at the Forix site, it is clearer about it's origins: from about 6th Gear is a non-money enterprise run solely by motor racing history enthusiasts. The content (words, images, otherwise) that is appearing on the website was submitted by amateur contributors. I understand that it is hosted by FORIX which is owned by Motorsport Network but it isn't actually a Motorsport Network (owners of Autosport) site. They are just acting as a hosting company. Woody (talk) 19:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concerns around StatsF1 and the comment about Forix. I've removed the StatsF1 ref from the table. I've added the archive page on the official Formula 1 site as a reference, Woody. NapHit (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That works for me. You could put the StatsF1 as an external link. It is certainly useful for corroboration, just not as a WP:V source if that makes sense. Woody (talk) 12:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Schumacher holds the record for the highest total of fastest laps with 77. Lewis Hamilton is second with 47,[6]... The Reuters link ([6]) here only lists Hamilton's current total, which has a high likelihood of changing when the season starts. The source is good for the Schumacher amount so I would move it to the end of that sentence about Schumacher. The Hamilton and Raikkonnen can then be covered by the Autosport link.

Moved the ref as requested. NapHit (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Schumacher and Räikkönen hold the record for the most fastest laps in one season with 10. Schumacher achieved this during the 2004 season, Räikkönen matched this in the 2005 and 2008 seasons. is sourced to an article from 2013. Are we sure it hasn't happened since? Is there any more recent source (there might not be and the claim is sourced so I'm content but a newer one would be beneficial)

It hasn't changed since 2008, that's confirmed by the DHL Fastest Lap Award. I was unable to find a newer one, unfortunately, but as the reference is correct, I think it should suffice. ~~

I note that The first fastest lap, at the 1950 British Grand Prix, was set by Giuseppe Farina. is sourced to a race summary. It doesn't state this was the first race (though I know that it was, but that isn't sourced).

I've added a reference to cover this now. NapHit (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The main concern as stated above is StatsF1. What has changed from this RSN thread? Woody (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, Woody, I've responded to them all above. NapHit (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've struck the minnows but the sourcing for the main table is a concern and for ~~clarity I feel I need to state I oppose for now. Woody (talk) 19:39, 15 June 2020 (UTC)~~[reply]

I'm happy with the sourcing now. One other thing, why is there a See also section? The fastest lap award is already linked in the lead and all of the others are part of the infobox. Woody (talk) 12:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've added StatsF1 to the external links section as you suggested. Not sure why there is a see also section, good point. Guess it's not needed when the others are already linked higher up the page. Removed as suggested, Woody. NapHit (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support All comments resolved. Woody (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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