User talk:JBW

This account was previously known as JamesBWatson, but was renamed to JBW on 19 September 2019. James B. Watson is not my real name.

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The deletion of all examples in Command pattern

Hi JBW, I don't understand the deletion of all examples for the design pattern Command (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_pattern). I think it's a great help to understand those concepts. All others design patterns have a lot of examples of codes too. So maybe you should remove all code examples of all design patterns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicoweb01 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nicoweb01: My intention actually was to restore the article to an earlier state where an example was given in one language, as having an example in one language illustrates the concepts involved in command pattern, but adding versions in dozens of languages only provides illustrations of how those languages differ in their handling of the same concepts, which is not the topic of the article. Also having strings of examples of coding in different languages is not in line with Wikipedia's purpose; there are many other web sites which do provide that purpose. At the time I made the change, it was inconvenient for me to do the thorough checking required to do the job properly, so I made what I now see as a mistaken decision to remove the lot temporarily, and restore what was relevant when I did have a chance to do it properly. I apologise for that mistake, and I have now restored the section of the article to the state in which it previously had been.

As for what you say about "all others design patterns", if they do have similar lists of examples in numerous languages then it is very likely that they too should be pruned down, but if course I can't tell without seeing the particular articles you have in mind. CAn you direct me to some of them, so that I can review them? JBW (talk) 20:40, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sami Yusuf Page Under Vandalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_Yusuf

Dear JBW, this page is under vandalism by two users. User:HistoryofIran and User:Assem_Khidhr

Kindly have a look to the page and history of vandalism and false information they put, they are not allow to the do any changes on the page.

Thanks

83.123.81.228 (talk) 13:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know of your concerns. It is not immediately obvious that the edits you refer to are vandalism, but no doubt you know more about the subject than I do, so probably you can tell me why you think it's vandalism. If you do that I will look into it.

From my experience of HistoryofIran's editing over the years I would be very surprised to see vandalism from him. I know much less about Assem Khidhr, but a quick look at his editing history doesn't suggest a vandal. Nevertheless, please do let me know if you think you have valid reasons for seeing their editing as vandalism.

@HistoryofIran and Assem Khidhr: Alerting you to this message, since it concerns you. JBW (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The IP was caught removing relevant information from the article, which I reverted. That's about it. A typical case of a new IP doing, well... not the do most constructive edits. A new account has recently appeared which is kinda making the same edits, possibly belonging to the IP? [1] --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:45, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@JBW: Thanks for your consideration. I did notice their first mention, but didn't think it'd be worth replying. The hist and editing quality are pretty straightforward. The OP is propably vexed because I added, among other things, the article subject's professed religious affiliation. Assem Khidhr (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you dear user:JBW for your consideration.

If you notice this user User:HistoryofIran racistly try to add "Iranian" to the first line, if you refer to previous discussion we had on the talk page you decided to keep the "British" only there as he hold only one nationality. Also the word "Muslim" in the first line is something unnecessary and why need to mention there? I would love to refer you to this line you mentioned in the talk page.

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I have put some thought into this. Since an editor working on Sami Yusuf's behalf has made it clear that that editor regards Sami Yusuf as British, and not as "British-Iranian", it seems reasonable to conclude that Sami Yusuf self-identifies only as British, and whereas any question of citizenship is a matter of law, with a definite correct answer, a general description of someone's ethnic background is not so clear cut, and how he self-identifies should be given consideration. (I have a vague feeling that there is some guideline or other that supports that view, but I have no intention to spend time searching for it.) I therefore propose to replace "British-Iranian" with just "British", and to add a mention of the fact that he was born in Iran. I hope that will be a compromise that is acceptable to all: it will remove any possibility of anyone reading the description as implying dual citizenship, as desired by one party in this dispute, and at the same time will keep an indication of his origin from outside Britain, as desired by the other side. If anyone disagrees with this, then I hope they will post here explaining why, but I don't intend to defend it or argue about it. I am doing this in the hope that it will resolve the problem, but if it unfortunately doesn't then I am not going to get into edit-wars or quarrels over it.

If you see we already fixed this issue and after a time this user User:HistoryofIran try to start vandalism again.

Regarding this user User:Assem_Khidhr

If you see he used sources from REMOVED references and most of them are from dead links. These are kind of incorrect information, they don't even let us to make changes and edit them with correct links/information.

In the end, it's clearly that the page is under vandalism, is it possible to lock the page again and make it semi-protected?

Thanks

83.123.81.228 (talk) 09:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Im not reading all of that, but the fact that this IP calls me a racist for "adding" (I didnt, I simply restored it) Iranian shows that he has really lost the plot. HistoryofIran (talk)

@83.123.81.228: I can see quite a lot of misunderstanding in your proposal and interpretations here. First things first, Wikipedia has a solid definition of vandalism. It doesn't equate to edits that a contributor or a group of contributors are dissatisfied with, nor does it even equate to disruptive editing (See WP:VANDALISM). Maybe you've somehow missed that, but the article lede literally reads Sami Yusuf (born 21 July 1980) is an Iranian-born British Muslim singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, composer, record producer, and humanitarian. This doesn't correspond to Sami holding an Iranian citizenship as of now, which would have, indeed, been a contentious legal matter. You probably also missed the source I used for his personal details "International sensation Sami Yusuf". The Stream. 23 Dec 2011. Event occurs at 13:50, 14:15, and 15:15. Aljazeera English. You know, that's it. That's what I love. I love to bring people together. I'm an Iranian-born ethnic Azeri who grew up in England, married a German lady, and embraced Sunni Islam. That's a really interesting combination. . . . I'm not interested in politics, generally. I don't like politics, including Islamic politics.. This makes it very clear that Sami prefers to emphasize his diverse origin. In fact, as you can see in the Wikidata item Sami Yusuf, we should also point out his Azeri origin, especially that it's in direct relation to his notability, being discussed in many works he did and being officially recognized in Azerbaijan (e.g. he received an honorary award for his contribution to Azeri heritge). Likewise, pointing out that he's Muslim in the lede is conforming to MOS:CONTEXTBIO, meaning that it's only appropriate because Sami's notability is explicitly derived from his religion. For example, he first came to prominence by releasing Al-Mu'allim song about the Islamic prophet Muhammad. All of this should have actually been spared for the article's talk page, where I would have been happy to explain this without badgering JBW (talk · contribs) for no good reason. Assem Khidhr (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Assem Khidhr

Yes you are correct but you made emphasis to Iran there, have a look to this edit!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sami_Yusuf&oldid=987874752

"Sami Yusuf (born 21 July 1980) is a British singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, composer, record producer, and humanitarian, born in Tehran,"

You made things more complicated here, it's also mentioned Iran there but in the end of the sentence, this is totally different with your edit.

You wanted to make the page better but seems not. What was the issue with the last edit?

Dear user:JBW you can judge as a super admin, is it possible to bring back the page to this version? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sami_Yusuf&oldid=987874752

Currently the first paragraph is totally confusing.

Thanks everyone.

83.123.81.228 (talk) 15:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now that the IP editor has explained their concerns, I think I can reasonably offer a few comments. @Assem Khidhr and HistoryofIran: you may or may not wish to read this.

HalaW25 and IP editor: clearly you are either the same person or (perhaps less likely) two people working together. It will be helpful if you can state which of those two is the case, and if you are the same person then please stick to editing only from your account, to avoid misleading or confusing editors.
At the end of my previous comments about this on the article's talk page, in April 2019, I offered a compromise solution. I wrote about it "I am doing this in the hope that it will resolve the problem, but if it unfortunately doesn't then I am not going to get into edit-wars or quarrels over it." I still don't intend to quarrel about it.
I spent some considerable time on thinking out and writing my comments back then. I tried hard to make what I said clear, to avoid misunderstanding. I have re-read what I wrote then, and I can only assume that HalaW25 has not read it, as otherwise they could scarcely still be saying thing such as "Sami Yusuf does not hold any dual citizenship. He is, thus, not Iranian-British". I shall say it just once more. In English, putting two adjectives relating to countries DOES NOT mean that the person in question has dual citizenship. For example, an "Italian American" is usually a person with ONLY AMERICAN citizenship, but of Italian ancestry, not a person with dual Italian and US citizenship.
Whatever HalaW25 thinks "Iranian-British" means, it is totally irrelevant, because nobody has been saying in the recent dispute that he is "Iranian-British". The dispute is about whether to refer to him as "Iranian born" or not. Since HalaW25 has repeatedly edited to remove the expression "Iranian born", they must know that is what the dispute is about, and their persisting in writing as though they think it's about the expression "Iranian-British" appears to be disingenuous.
There is no question of this being vandalism, as Assem Khidhr has explained.
An issue that the IP editor/HalaW25 is/are concerned about is the amount of prominence given to the fact that Sami Yusuf was born in Iran. That can only mean that their purpose is to make the article conform to a point of view, presumably for nationalist reasons. Editing to promote a point of view is not permitted, and can and will lead to being blocked from editing.
HalaW25 has repeatedly removed mentions that Sami Yusuf was born in Tehran. That is nothing to do with the issues such as dual nationality. Again, I can only see that as a nationalist attempt to suppress information inimical to the editor's point of view.
HalaW25 has continued to edit-war after being warned that doing so would lead to being blocked from editing. They should therefore not be surprised to find that I will block them as soon as I have posted this message.

That's it for now. JBW (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you but you didn't respond to my comments above! I don't know who the Hala is and I responsible to my activities here only! but my concern was something else, the page and information there were good since @Assem Khidhr and HistoryofIran:made changes. You can simply compare this edit with the current one. You will understand what I mean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sami_Yusuf&oldid=983206917

83.123.81.228 (talk) 07:58, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing JBW

You can see these sentences are both correct and in a same way.

Previous one: Sami Yusuf (born 21 July 1980) is a British singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, composer, record producer, and humanitarian, born in Tehran, Iran.[5]

Current one: Sami Yusuf (born 21 July 1980) is an Iranian-born British Muslim singer, songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, composer, record producer, and humanitarian.[5]

In fact they are same, but it's totally intentional and he wants to make "Iranian" bolder there obviously. Maybe because of political reasons. That why I asked to have a look to the previous edits and current one.

Thanks

83.123.81.228 (talk) 08:07, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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