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Sorry - I know the images are not tidy... I've had it with fighting the thing - could someone help and point out what I did wrong? cheers Horus Kol 14:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Previous Award Schemes

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Wow - found some information on the earlier schemes and the period between '64 and '03 is really messed up! If anyone can find some images of these older badges, I would be most obliged - I'm going to get the ones from immediately prior to '03, but need help for the others... Horus Kol 17:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. I've also reverted the edit that changed the proposal that was being discussed. If you want to change it, then do so with a strikeout (using <s> and </s>) and dating the change so others can follow who said what to which version of the proposal. There seems to be dissatisfaction with the current name, but no consensus on a new name, and some support for a delete/merge. I also suggest looking at the name used by the Scouts. Born2cycle (talk) 01:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Diff of proposal change edit. --Born2cycle (talk) 01:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive Award Scheme → Ranks in the Scout Association — Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC) There is no other article with a name anywhere near this one and UK Scouting is wrong in this context. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss:

Reopening stale discussion, support rename to match article names for Japan, Poland, Indonesia and the BSA, current title is not descript enough to be sought by the lay reader, it could refer to any award-issuing organization.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose for the simple reason these are not in any way "ranks" but are simply awards. Although not really ranks the nearest thing to ranks in the Scout Association would be sixer/seconder in cubs or senior patrol leader/patrol leader/assistant patrol leader in Scouts. If other countries have more rigid rank structures in their scout organisations then that may be an appropriate article title for similar articles for those countries but that does not mean we should use an incorrect title simply for the sake of conformity. P.S. I have no idea what is meant by "UK Scouting is wrong in this context". Dpmuk (talk) 14:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Update: I'd happily support a move to something that makes it clearer it's Scouting related, but think thatProgressive Award Scheme in the Scout Association may be a bit too wordy. Dpmuk (talk) 23:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose because the Badges and Awards this article is about are the highest award's of those Sections. The Awards recognise a high level of personal challenge undertaken by the individual within each age group. The awards focus on the personal achievement gauged to the ability of the participant. None of the awards, as also stated by Dpmuk, hold a position to be responsible for any peers such as the senior patrol leader/patrol leader/assistant patrol leader does. The only one of these awards which may loosely hold an unofficial "Rank" is the Queen's Scout Award as it is the Highest Award and shows what can be achieved with determination and commitment to the Scouting Values. WoodyWerm (talk) 18:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Edit WoodyWerm (talk). I forgot to write I would agree with a move to a page/title indicating the Page is Scout/Scout Association/UK Scouting related as per suggestion by Bduke, moving it away from being a General Title. WoodyWerm (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's still no good as a title meaningless to the lay reader. We are familiar with the term, but we're involved with Scouting. It should be immediately clear to those who are not, what the article is about. NBA and NHL are clear to many people, but the redirects go to the explanatory name for those who are not. "Progressive Award Scheme" conveys no info about whose awards or scheme. Since I understand the contention about ranks, I would suggest Awards in the Scout Association--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kintetsubuffalo makes a good point, but I have just found time to look into this in more detail. I think this article should be deleted. It has no references. There are two external links, the first of which is to ScoutBase and not to their specific page, and the second does not work. There is no indication that the award scheme on its own is in any way notable, other than the Queen's Scout Award which has its own article. There are no independent reliable sources that show that the award scheme has been noticed. Most of the content is either already in the Scout Association or in the articles on each section. Some of the historical material in this article, if it can be properly sourced, should be moved to the section articles or Queen's Scout. Some material should be added to the Scout Association including a note that further information is available in the section articles. So, we should not be keeping this article. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have added all the images to the appropriate section articles as they should be there anyway. I have also added part of the reasons for the scheme to the Scout Association article. What is unique to this article is now only the historical material, which is, I think, largely correct even if unsourced, but perhaps not entirely correct and certainly not complete. It needs to be much improved. The real task before us is getting a good sourced historical account of the Scout Association award scheme from 1908 to the present, and we are far from having that. Where that material goes is not that important. --Bduke (Discussion) 00:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kudos for your hard work, thank you! Shouldn't this go in chronological order, as the norm for en:wp, rather than the reverse?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
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