Talk:Shinn Asuka

Clean up

This entire article needs to be rewritten, it's poorly done and it's clearly biast. Theres a few choice lines which try to make Shinn look evil when it's not black and white in the series if Kira or Shinn is evil, because neither are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.168.167 (talk • contribs) at 12:36, July 30, 2006 (UTC)

People can argue differently but if you would put your personal feelings and interpretations aside, looking at purely the original Anime series, it was pretty clear that Shinn sided with the Durandal the whole time, even after the chairman became the leading villain in the end. It can be plainly stated that the series shows a gradual shift of Shinn's role from hero to anti-hero (particularly because he sided with Durandal till the end, as Durandal turned from a seemingly good guy to a bad guy). Whether the viewers agree/sympathize with Shinn's actions and choices is irrelevent, however if your liking for the character makes you neglect that he was a key element of the "bad guy's" forces, then you're the one who is biased. Also, to use Kira as a comparison for Shinn's debate is rather inappropriate since no one can doubt Kira's status as a protagonist.

On another note, the last part in the Anti-hero section regarding how fans still sympathize with Shinn should be removed since that is also completely irrelevent. Every character from every series has fans, so saying that Shinn has fans is completely pointless and unprofessional for an article. Unless the writer can make a point by saying that there are more people who sympathize with Shinn than against him, but I don't believe that is the case either. Yukieteno 20:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Has there been serious argument that Kira's evil? Bah! Shinn's behavior is arguably comparable to Jason Todd or The Punisher, who I do not personally consider a villains. I'm not sure about the neutrality of the article, as it is a very...touchy...subject, but a complete rewrite is really pushing it. Oh and don't add new messages to the top, GIPU. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 16:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Err, I don't think it should be rewritten. Can you provide where are the biased sentence? Shinn , in my humble opinion is an anti hero example, so it is not strange if he looks like a villain. Draconins 09:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Saying that Shinn is an anti hero means that he is the other version of Rau since he is in Zaft that doesn't mean that he is wrong and Zaft are evils the main war is between EA and Zaft why the Lacus and her friends put their noises in that also Lacus,Kira,Athrun want a just a freedom life while Shinn and Zaft want to make everything live in Peace, Peace=No Wars, Freedom=Live like what you want but another war is possible like the Seed series another war launched because naturals and coordinators didn't live together in the same world, Who want peace will stand with Zaft who like Freedom will go to others and that's what happened in the series the most of the countries accept Dullindal but why Orb didn't accept because even if Dullindal(ZAFT) was right they wont trust him EVER, Also Orb started that war while Zaft didn't want it Orb think that it's the only way because they wont trust Zaft, Orb was really Selfishness in their acts Dullindal was able to Fire Genesis or Requime at them in Orb then he would end them all and end all that nonsense after that who is the hero that will be able to stand against Zaft but he didn't done that because he and Zaft don't want a war but Orb want it, If anything I can say that if Zaft was wrong Shinn wasn't wrong at all well he is just a Victim all what he wants to creat a wrold of peace and to eliminate all wars but under Dullindals orders because for me and him also others I would surely prefer to work with Dullindal and Zaft even if they were wrong instead of working with traitors and the guy who destroyed my life, If I were Shinn I'll do the same+ that I wont shake hands with Kira I will tell him maybe I'll do that in the future if you let me to kill Lacus and Cagalli that's seems fair to me instead of my family and my beloved girl.Astrys 01:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Nani? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

In short Shinn Asuka isn't an Anti-Hero, Also if Shinn is an Anti-Hero that means EA(Lord Djibril) are the good guys Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa.Astrys 22:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Uh...huh. First off, work on your english and general typing ability. Second, seek help; I recommend...mental. Third, Wikipedia is not a forum. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but it seems more like a rant relating to the TV-show, not the article. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Bla,bla,bla, First of all who are you to say that I need to work on my English, Simply you are nothing to say that you aren't my dad no one from my family and not my teacher, Ohhh! it seems that you are the new teacher here so please come on give me some Private tuitions because you are a teacher too, Second English is my Third language and don't ever try to say that to me or others, Third do you know anything about the Ethics of talk well there are some books that will help you, Forth since everyone said his Humble opinion I said mine too, Also Shinn isn't an Anti-Hero if you or others think the opposite prove that if you can.Astrys 00:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, Did you saw my personal page before saying that I need to Learn more how to use English, Well go see it then write again,Bla.Astrys 00:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh! I thought that was it. No need to go on a nonsensocal tirade, dude. And what's with the personal attacks? Keep it civil. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 05:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, Yaaa no need to mock each other, But damn you started with person attacks not me, Also I'm nice and civil wherever I go I wont Mock guys until they start that I'll be gentle if others will be gentle too, (Ace) if you think that I was bad with you I'm sorry but you must know that I wont mock others or say to them bad things until they start saying bad things to me, Finally Hello!.Astrys 22:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

My reference to your english communication skills (or lack thereof) was not an insult. It was advice. Temper is the only thing one cannot "get rid of" by losing it. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 17:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh!... Ya Thanks for your advice I'm sorry if that was the case but a lot of people in the net after they lose a discussion with me they start to insult me and mock my using of English so I thought that anyone who are saying that is just to insulting me nothing more. Astrys 21:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

1) Shinn is one of these "grey-area" characters. He's hot-headed and believes that (since he has power) what he's doing is right. Depending on who you ask, it's either true or not. And the beauty of a series that includes the title "Gundam" is that there's really no "goodguy versus badguy" or "black and white" type of belief.

2) Either nobody's learned from Zeta Gundam, or Mitsuo Fukuda's afraid of touching said title due to copyright infrindgement (which I doubt that it's an excuse for someone who relies on ZAKU, GOUF, and DOM). But what Camille Vidan had from Quattro Bajina (Char Aznavel) and Bright Noah was (and still is) a perfect example of how to "correct" somebody. Athrun slaps him a couple of times; punches him later on. But when Athrun defected (with Meylin in tow), STAAAB. Shinn (after some emo) gives him a bit of payback.

3) IMMHO, I still believe that Gundam Seed Destiny is poorly written and poorly directed. If Fukuda and his wife Morosawa hadn't been tempting the fanbase with noisemakers (and inadvertantly turning Kira and company into "Jesus Christ and his followers"), Shinn wouldn't suck so much as a character. He would've been the "annoying yet necessary" male lead of this series.

3b) Then again, for a "show about war utilizing giant robots," the Gundam of nowadays (since Wing) had became the noise-maker fanfare with the "invincible pilot that girls crave" as oppose to the Tomino-based heart-felt war dramas of old. Everyone else had been taking Yoshiyuki's mecha ideas and cliches; but not his spirit. (Which, by the way, is saddening.)

--Tyrenol 05:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Athrun slaps him a couple of times; punches him later on. But when Athrun defected (with Meylin in tow), STAAAB. Shinn (after some emo) gives him a bit of payback

Shinn was forced to do that if he didn't kill them no one know what would happen to him also it's more better for Athrun to lose(be killed) there because if Shinn didn't done that Rey will do it or if they catch them they will be killed or put in prison, It's like stealing a tank from a military base from America or other countries so what would other soldiers do, Commanders will use all what they can to shot down/kill or to catch him and you know what they will call it.

And I don't think that Shinn is an anti-hero(the bad guy) he wasn't the protagonist(hero) but nor Athrun or Kira, They are all the amin characters.

I still believe that Gundam Seed Destiny is poorly written and poorly directed...male lead of this series.

I agree with you very much, For me the writing and the directing for GSD is one of the worst of all Gundam history, There are really a lot of biases with and biases against "Everything is designed like the fans of the most popular character want which is Kira and his friends" that's just a bias, They was able to make GSD a more better series if they done the same thing that happened in Zeta gundam or if they make Shinn join Athrun and Kira before the last battle and then they retire again, The story events was unfair and was really unjustice towards Shinn it was really against him, Just how he was seen for a whole episode and in the last episodes is just seen for 3 minutes or how Lacus turned to be more important than Shinn, And how his piloting skills was really decreased a lot like he forget how to pilot a MS.

The story is not unfair to shinn asuka its not unjustice doesn'mean that you start the series and became a villain in the middle its unfair if you think that your an idiot this is a sequel doesnt mean you start your a protagonist.if you base his attitude he hates and blames orb what happen to his parent.why orb and why he didnt blame eaf who invaded the country of orb who cause of his death of his parent.Unlike athrun he joined military because of what happen to his parent not blaming to his country but to the earth alliance.And your an idiot if you blame your own country when someone invaded you like in world war 2 japan invade few countrys and war on iraq.He deserved to be die in the series because he destroyed himself like anakin sky waker he joined the sith unlike rey who did not destroyed himself his death tragic one.Shinn is not a good fighter at all in the series he win only to kira because kira is not fighting him and his mobile suit is transformable like aegis athrun.shinn is not a important at all that gay.He hurt cagalli i think also if athrun is a gay because he became his friend of shinn rather a knight a shinning for her.

But here's a couple of links:

http://aeug.blogspot.com/2006_12_01_aeug_archive.html#116695548289280041 This is where Sunrise Board Member Yasuo Miyakawa talks about how difficult it is to sell Gundam into the R1/US market.Tyrenol 02:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Note that they are referring to all Gundam series, not just GS or GSD. And this has nothing to do with Shinn Asuka. Edward321

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/poll.php?id=112 This is a recent poll done at Anime News Network over who's the most likable director. Mitsuo Fukuda received 0.5%. He's at his 30#, basically at the bottom. Tyrenol 02:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually the poll is for 'Favorite Director', not most likeable. 1/4 of the directors voted on scored lower than Fukuda. And none of this has anything to do with Shinn Asuka. Edward321 01:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Even if all of them are scored lower than the idiot Fukuda(and that's impossible) we all know he is a crappy director for gundam, his score has nothing to do with this article(shinn's article) but he and the other idiots who work with him are the one's who made Shinn a crappy pilot and destroyed the series by thier bias and they just deserve more lower score than that.Astrys 14:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

NPOV, people. Just because Athrun insisted that Kira wasn't Shinn's enemy doesn't make it objective truth. Also, let's keep the use of the word "Gundam" to a minimum, since very few characters actually use it in the series. --68.47.175.214 01:10, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Article suggestion

This is a single glob of congealed text. It should be broken up into sections, but having never seen it, I don't feel competent. --Maru 22:48, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Why the heck are there detailed descriptions for every major battle Shinn had? It's bloating the article for no good reason. AceWhatever 22:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion and Opinions: Pictures

I created this section to discuss about anything in this article that anyone don't agree with or any new info that anyone got to help in improving this page, So if anyone want to discuss I hope that he will write in a polite way without any flames.

And I don't know how to write in a fashion way so I'm just trying to discuss the things that I don't agree with and if everyone agree with it then I hope that anyone will write it.

• First, I doubt that we can find better picture for Shinn this looks good for him, But I think that if there are any picture from ep8 it will be more better just because he was in a casual wear and in a better shape(I have a picture) But if this picture looks better for everyone, There are no importance to change it.

• Shinn Asuka is the main character in the television anime series Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny.

I don't agree with using(the main character)instead of protagonist since Fukuda said that he is the protagonist, But maybe you used this word because there are more than one main character in the series or maybe because of the protagonist switch, So isn't there any way to write(the protagonist) or it's not important.--Astrys 02:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Try getting a good picture for each of the sections without a picture, since the other main character articles have much more than this one. Dudeman74 03:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that it's not hard to get the picture that you want I can help by getting some pictures but the problem that I don't know what picture we need, So could anyone help me.Astrys 23:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about changing the main picture, there is nothing wrong with it. Dudeman74 00:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

So, What's the matter I think that my one looks better for Shinn, Also in you picture I think that his face looks as an idiot and look at the first part of his hair there are two big parts combined with each other, Please keep my picture.Astrys 00:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

No offense, but your picture also looks blurry and of poor quality, I'll find a different one. Dudeman74 00:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry (Dudeman74) I don't need or to make any other troubles sure you know the story, But I think that Shinn in that casual wear looks better than his wear in your picture, I know that my picture's quality is poor but I don't think that Shinn wore any other clothes than that two times, So could you please keep my picture it's my first edit.Astrys 00:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The picture you uploaded, his face looks just as dumb. Dudeman74 00:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok! Since I don't know how to upload pictures and everytime they send to me a warning that my picture will be deleted after seven days, Then don't care about that (Dudeman74) I don't need my picture you can delete it and also find a better picture than your first and I wont replace my picture but could you please tell me how I can put the source of the image I'm a new member So could you please help me and sure I'll help in getting another pictures, Thanks!.Astrys 00:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I have just uploaded a new picture, this one seems to be better than the previous ones since he doesn't have a confused look on his face. Don't change it back to your picture just because you uploaded it unless you have a good reason for changing it please. Dudeman74 00:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

When you upload your picture, just put in the Summary box where you got the picture from (cannot be from a internet search) and what it is from. Dudeman74 00:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

No,No please I don't want to see him in the uniform we can get enough pictures for him in the uniform, I wont change your pics but in the uniform it looks very bad, You can find a better picture for him than your first one but in the same clothes so please find another one and it would be more better, Thanks.Astrys 01:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok! Could you please go to my talk page we can talk there About what I want to know.Astrys 01:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't see whats wrong with him being in a uniform but I have changed the picture. Dudeman74 03:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the main picture is rather too bright. The picture's brightness should be softened. About using word "protagonist", I am agree that there are more than one main character in the series and protagonist switching. And I think he is one of anti-hero example. So I think it is better to say he is one of main characther in Destiny. Draconins 07:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Lets just use the one of him in uniform right now then, it looks much better, but I have no idea how to lower the brightness on it the last one. If you disagree change it back to a previous picture or get a new one. Dudeman74 10:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I have uploaded a new picture for Shinn I think that it looks very nice hopefuly that you will agree to keep it.Astrys 23:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't use that picture but I won't change it. the expression on his face is still a bit similar to that of the picture from Phase-01 Dudeman74 00:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes you know everything guy but I was really confused about what picture what we must use, I always wanted to use a picture from ep8 but yes it's very bright and the picture from ep1 I think that all his face can be seen but not in a good shape, I want a picture that all the parts of his head can be seen and his face in a normal situation and a small piece of his clothes is included too but I haven't founded any picture like this so I decided to use any good picture from Final Plus because his face and his hair changed too much from the first episodes and in a good clothes I know that all his head can be seen in the first pictures but I think that his face in the last episodes is better, I know that it's very hard to find any good picture for Shinn because he changed his clothes two times in the series and I don't want to be selfish so if you have any better picture from Final Plus or special edition put it if not keep this if you agree to keep it. Thanks.Astrys 01:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion and Opinions: Anti Hero Status

Hi again, I want to discuss now about the anti-hero status:

• He is considered by some of the internal cast and external viewers as one of the principal "bad guys" due to the fact that he opposes the established "heroes" from the original SEED.

It's true that he is considered by a lot of viewers (Fans) that he is the most bad guy ever in this series, although other people don't think that, I don't think that he is a bad guy for that reason, I think that this is the opinion of the fans that hate him; you see how Kira was selfish in the start of the series, he was destroying everything and fighting anyone; while Shinn was doing good things with his friends, they were fighting EA all the time, while Kira was a hindrance for their works. For that, I don't think that Shinn is a bad guy because he defeated Kira; if Kira wasn't defeated, who knows what will happen to ZAFT or EA? They will be eliminated if Kira beats anyone(Athrun, Heine, Stellar, Sting) who can stand in his way, as well as the new hero and his friends. Also, Dullindal and EA will lose, while Kira will win, so I don't think that he is a bad guy because he beats Kira.

I know why some people call him a bad guy it's because they hate him, Everyone said that he is a bad guy because he was fighting Athrun and his aims were against Athrun's and Kira's aims but he isn't a bad guy for that reason you saw how he was fighting against EA and when ORB sheltered Djibril, Cagalli and others wanted to rescue themselves in any way even if it's wrong and you saw how Athrun accuse him that he wanted to destroy ORB while he wasn't wanted that ever he was fighting to kill Djibril, And about the last battle Shinn fought Athrun because he knows that if he doesn't fight him Athrun will be a big reason why ZAFT will be defeated and then ORB and Terminal who stand against them and started the fight so they must defend their aims.

even though the series is presented from his perspective

No, not the all series I think that after ep34 which means the full protagonist switch the series was presented from the POV of Kira, Athrun, Lacus and what their friends want, you saw how Shinn was screwed and thrown in the back like he is a side character.

It is a subject of still-ongoing heated debate if the "Destiny Plan" was such a bad thing and if ORB were justified in their actions

And if Shinn is the bad guy it means that he was wrong in everything so when he was fighting EA he was wrong and then why Shinn is wrong why it's not Kira and Athrun who are wrong and the bad guys or does it means that if you are the hero you are right every time and the others are wrong, Kira and his friends were against ZAFT every time and they don't love it(except Athrun at the start of the series) Kira with his friends were fighting anyone in the start and Kira blamed ZAFT why they tried to shot down Archangel and him like they weren't a hindrance for ZAFT and a reason of why ZAFT lost some of their units and after Dullindal announced Destiny Plan you see how they refuse it without knowing the aim of it as I still remember ORB and Scandinavia were the only nations who refuse the plan(correct me if I'm wrong) so if the other EA nation agree why they don't want Dullindal to complete his work, Yes Not because I hate ORB and others and not because I support Shinn and ZAFT but it's because ORB and terminal wanted a war against Dullindal while he doesn't want that war, If Destiny Plan is plan for peace that everyone want and if Dullindal design this plan to create a world where Naturals and Coordinators can live together in peace why ORB doesn't want a something good or it's the un-trust of ZAFT and Dullindal.

And that what Fukuda and his wife said in an interview.

*Shinn seems to have realized that he's wrong during the final confrontation against Athrun have you ever thought of the possibility that he may go to Kira's side?

*Fukuda : I have absolutely no such intention right from the start, because I always want to create a story where in the end Shinn loses everything except Luna maria. I hope people don't misunderstand it, I don't think Shinn is incorrect (unjust? wrong?) at all. What Shinn and Dullindal have done are all for the good of the world, on the other hand Kira's side is the one which has somewhat deviated from the path of justice.

*What is the Destiny Plan? *By checking the person's genes, we can determine what sort of job the person is fit for, and everything else about this person. There be no conflicts and displeasure if all employment was based on results of genetic analysis. The Destiny Plan is a plan to achieve this form of society. Dullindal really would've liked people to accept this Plan out of their own choice, rather than strictly enforce it. Dullindal probably was planning for it since SEED. Astrys 01:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Err, I can say many things about your opinion, but the usage of discussion in this Wikipedia is not to discuss the topic itself but about the article. In my opinion your question is about the topic not about how to improve the topic. We should do this in another forum. I am sorry that I have to reply like this.

I will refer to Help:Talk page:

"The purpose of a talk page is to help to improve the contents of the article in question. Questions, challenges, excised text (due to truly egregious confusion or bias, for example), arguments relevant to changing the text, and commentary on the main page are all fair play.

Wikipedians generally oppose the use of talk pages just for the purpose of partisan talk about the main subject. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; it's an encyclopedia. In other words, talk about the article, not about the subject. It's only the habits we encourage that keep Wikipedia from turning into a slanging match. "

I don't know if that is not your intention. If so, forgive me to mistakenly taking your point.

Anyway, the sentence: " he is considered ..." , means that some (or a few) other may consider otherwise. I have added: at least in early episodes to sentence : even though the series.

Draconins 02:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know from any way you understand my point, I tried to write the things that I don't agree with and replying it by what I think that's everything, Like to say that even he was considered that he is a bag guy but he is not a bad guy what I mean that this was said by the fans so you can write that he is not the bad guy in the series referring to Fukuda's interview and about from whom POV the series was presented, The series was presented from Shinn's POV until ep34 but after that it's Kira's role and that's why there was a protagonist switch and you saw how the importance was turn from ZAFT to ORB, Terminal(Kira and his friend) then Shinn was seen as a failure or mistake (wrong) in the last episodes what he say or do without any agree and that's was described very very well in the last episode so we can't or we mustn't say that all the series was presented from Shinn's POV it's just until the ep34, And about Destiny Plan and if ORB were justified I wrote what's my opinion and just as I know in every anime series that I watched it if anyone want to do a good thing everyone(or the most) will listen to him so if anyone didn't agree with he will consider as a selfish and that's what I believe from I saw when I watched the series I think that ORB were selfish in their acts, However I'm sorry if I done a bad thing and I don't think that you done a bad thing it's maybe me how used the wrong way sorry for this again but I tried to improve this section from the article and nothing else if you know a better way tell me or I think that it's better to discuss in our talk pages and you may write your opinion about what I wrote before.Astrys 19:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you find source for the interview? It may be added if it is needed. However, whatever Fukuda says, is a fact, that he is considered as anti-hero by many (from what i know, it including some staffs). So you may need some sentence like this: although Fukuda say he is not an anti hero, many consider otherwise....... while referring to citation above. I also know that even Japanese and American anime and film reviewer put him as villain of series.

And about: "if anyone want to do a good thing , everyone(or the most) will listen to him. so if anyone didn't agree with him will consider as a selfish.", I completely disagree with this sentence. About the other (about ORB, etc), I can not say anything as it violates Help:Talk page, which is discussion about topic, not the article. Hope it helps.

Draconins 03:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Q. Why has Shinn Asuka always gone berserk beyond comprehension, and gone on into a killing rampage because his feelings and hatred about failing to protect someone he holds dear, and attempt to kill every person he deems to be his nemesis? Has he had no shame?The Professional 22:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC) Chao-Chen Jack Lin, Surrey, BC, Canada.

Taekwondo Master Lin 2006. 10. 31., 2:11 PM (Pacific Standard Time)

Umm.. do you people understand what an anti-hero is? 203.109.207.33 18:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

It isn't POV that Shinn is an anti-hero. It's a fact. Anti-heroes are not villains, quite the opposite. They are still protagonists.

What an anti-hero is. The article here on Wikipedia here defines it as: "In fiction, an anti-hero is a protagonist who is lacking the traditional heroic attributes and qualities, and instead possesses character traits that are antithetical to heroism." I think that Shinn has (as justifiable as they may or may not be) severe anger management issues, some emotional issues, and a good deal of rage within him until nearly the end of the series. Anger, unbridled hatred, mental instability, and rage are not heroic qualities. He is also relatively emotionally unstable/inexperienced when compared to Athrun or Kira (other series male protagonists). Considering all of this, I think at very least we are left with no choice but to consider Shinn as an anti-hero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.158.192 (talk) 19:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I think Shinn is tragic hero I mean I know he didn't die but his ending was somewhat tragic, besides you think I guy like him who lost his entire family and be emotionally scarred buy war would have a better ending than another tragedy.

I agree with you I think Shinn is tragic hero because possese a naive and trusting personality as well as his anger which are his qualitys of tragic hero such as his belief in the Chairman and Rey and their manpulation of forcing him to through away his gentle nature and his habit of acting on his emotions and anger rather than his personally judgement, so know doubt from begging to end he possed those types of qualitys, I do hope however if there is another Gundam SEED series we well see a better fate for Shinn than that of a Tragic Hero. Tylerwade123

Unsourced Statement about Shinn's shift

It is stated: Shinn's shift from hero to anti-hero over the course of the series was purportedly influenced by the fact that his seiyuu, Kenichi Suzumura, somehow offended scriptwriter Chiaki Morosawa early in production, causing her to intentionally make his character less likeable.

Is that statement correct? I never found source stated these. Draconins 09:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been taking the original Japanese names (鈴村健一 / 両澤千晶 are Kenichi Suzumura / Chiaki Morosawa) and did a translated Google with them. And there were some things about "being chummy" with Athrun Zala's voice actor and this:

"Half year after the movement soldier Gundam SEED DESTINY' ending, not to insert the work of television animation excessively, it devoted to only DJ of radio program, because (Shinn Asuka was played, is not)."

(Original Link) http://wpedia.search.goo.ne.jp/search/%A5%B7%A5%F3%A1%A6%A5%A2%A5%B9%A5%AB/detail.html?LINK=1&kind=epedia

(Translated) http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://wpedia.search.goo.ne.jp/search/%25A5%25B7%25A5%25F3%25A1%25A6%25A5%25A2%25A5%25B9%25A5%25AB/detail.html%3FLINK%3D1%26kind%3Depedia&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=9&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25E9%2588%25B4%25E6%259D%2591%25E5%2581%25A5%25E4%25B8%2580%2B%25E4%25B8%25A1%25E6%25BE%25A4%25E5%258D%2583%25E6%2599%25B6%26start%3D90%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

I'm hoping that none of what's been stated is true. But if it is, then the reputation of Mitsuo Fukuda and Chiaki Morosawa outside of Japan...

Since when, in the entertainment field other than rap music, is it allowable to make a character less likable after the creator of said character gets into a hissy-fit over what's been said by someone who will play the character? Don't grown-ups usually settle their arguments away from the audience as oppose to stooping as low as defaming those with talent? Last I checked, that's the job of the audience and the audience alone.

Tyrenol 17:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Fictional psychopaths category

I've realized that a good deal of characters from Gundam Seed are listed under "fictional psychopaths". Would that many characters actually be apperopriate for that category? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.162.73 (talk • contribs)

Well, it really depends on the character. If you feel the need, go to the pages, read the content and remove—if necessary—accordingly per the actual defintion of the word. I'm not sure, but I think Shinn is arguably a psychopath. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The categories are another massively POV attempt by people who dislike the character to skew this article. Shinn never "turned evil", as the director himself has explicitly stated, and he can't be considered a "psychopath" or "mass murderer" by any remotely rational standard. If Shinn qualifies as those things, then so does every soldier who ever lived. 71.203.209.0 05:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I honestly wouldn't know, but I'll make some changes per these concerns. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 05:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Already removed. Hmm. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 05:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced

• The name Shinn Asuka is a reference to the Asuka period in Japan's history, just as Kira Yamato was a reference to the Yamato period which immediately preceded it.
• The names of the anti-ship swords of Shinn's two mobile suits may reflect Shinn's status in the series. The Sword Impulse's weapon, deemed "Excalibur" (King Arthur's sword), reflected him as a hero. The Destiny's weapon, deemed "Arondight" (Sir Lancelot's sword), showed him falling into an anti-hero classification, as Lancelot in Arthurian lore was once a hero that became an enemy.

Does anyone have any sources to show that these similarities aren't original research, and are indeed intended by the creators? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The First, I remember that I read both from interviews with Fukuda. The Second, I don't know. Draconins 11:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Shinn's given name means heart —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.248.221 (talk) 06:53, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Or servant or pencil lead or temple or candle wick or sleep or... [1] Edward321 (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Another Interesting note is that Shinn is the first anti-hero protagonist in a gundam series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.248.221 (talk) 04:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Shinn is no more of an anti-hero than Amuro Ray or Kamille Bidan Edward321 (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry but Shinn is to an anti-hero compared to any other Gundam protagonist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.248.221 (talk) 03:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)