Talk:2007–08 UEFA Champions League

Before adding the new teams, please check the website here. http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seedcl2007.html

Structure of article

Shouldn't information on the first qualifying round go FIRST and information about clubs certain to compete in the group stage go later in the article? 80.2.82.110 15:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I originally put them in this order as it seemed logical to list the best clubs (the ones qualifying for the group stage) first. I realise it will all be swapped around once the competition actually starts, feel free to swap them around now if you think it's necessary though. - MTC 16:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Live Scores

As we go into the knockout stages i think that wikipedia should just have a little area at the bottom where the live scores are displayed. So that we can keep up with everything going on? Chaza93 21:33 2 May 2007 (BST)

Milan certain ?

Hi are you sure Milan are certain of their place for next season ? Including this weekend (12th 13th May) there are 3 rounds of matches left for every team. Firstly Milan would have to lose the 2006-7 Champions League Final to Liverpool. Then if Milan lost all 3 Serie A matches Lazio would remain ahead of them, and any of Empoli, Fiorentina or Palermo could catch up with them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.161.94.33 (talk • contribs)

No, AC Milan are not certain of their place, yet a vandal (more than one?) keeps adding them. - MTC 17:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I would imagine they would be confirmed being the current champions, No? Xatticus 09:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Note the date on my previous message; when I posted that message the final had not been played and AC Milan were not certain to finish in the top 4 in Italy. - MTC 17:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Dates?

Does anyone know the dates of draws or matchdays for any of the rounds? If so, could someone please add these into the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funkyduncan (talk • contribs)

I have added a provision calendar to the article. - MTC 05:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Miss Out

Just a question, but who looses out on their place in the group stage now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaza93 (talk • contribs)

(removed comment tags from above message) No-one is gong to lose out on a group stage spot as AC Milan and Liverpool have both qualified for the 3rd qualifying round through their leagues. However you could say Dinamo Bucureşti have missed out on a Group Stage spot as they would have qualified for the group stage if Manchester United or Chelsea had won the 2006-07 tournament. - MTC 19:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The information about qualification against association rank, or the information about the second and third qualifying rounds is wrong. The information about qualification says that runners-up from association 10 (which is currently Romania), says that both the Champions AND runners up get spots in third round qualifying. Only Steaua has been put in the second round qualifying. Could someone please explain why this is. Funkyduncan 13:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The Association Team Allocation section was wrong, the 10th place league runners-up go to the second quailfying round, see here. - MTC 16:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I see someone has done a quick botch job, there are still discrepancies, eg, someone put that 1 team from associations 10 to 15 is 5 teams, when that in fact makes 6. 80.2.82.110 14:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Fixed that now, I forgot about the numbers on the left. - MTC 15:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so if the holder has already qualified for the Group, let's say Man U or Inter won the CL instead of Milan, then who would be added to the group stage (ie what range of associations would get another champion or runner up included), AND this year since Milan DID need their automatic group stage invite to bypass third round qualifying, what range of associations got another champion runner up or third place qualifier??? I realize this matters very little but I'm a details kind of guy and its driving me crazy

Removal of Seeding

I don't understand, why someone deleted the seeding. If you said it is useless in UEFA Cup, that's fine. But how come you said that seeding is useless on CL? KyleRGiggs 10:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Mjefm decided that as "it looks a lot better", that was a good reason to change the order to country order. I personally don't care whether they are sorted in country ranking order or seeding order, as long as they're in some kind of order. - MTC 17:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

We should remove seeding from the second qualifying round, since we don't know FOR CERTAIN that Dinamo Zagreb and APOEL will get through. Funkyduncan 17:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually that doesn't matter as the draws for the first and second qualifying rounds are done at the same time. The draw for the second qualifying round assumes the seeded teams in the first qualifying round go through. - MTC 17:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Request of semi-protection

After I stopped editing the access list because all of them confirmed, some of them changed the teams. KyleRGiggs 18:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what message you are trying to convey here, but the level of vandalism is well below that which would warrant semi-protection. Oldelpaso 14:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Too see what you need for Protection, hang around WP:RfPP for a while, see what fails and what passes Chaza93 18:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Sevilla - UEFA Cup Winners 2006-07

OK, I'm getting bored of continually reverting the article whenever this gets put back in, so I thought I'd better take some friendly advice from User:RichardRundle and bring the debate here (yes, I know I should've done that sooner, and I'm sorry). So, what does everyone else think. I know there have been others who have removed this info when it has been put back in, but I'd like to see if there's anyone who thinks that, despite its irrelevance, the fact that Sevilla won last season's UEFA Cup should be kept in the article. - PeeJay 18:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it should be put in either. If we put it in we'd rather as well add all the other cup/league competitions that clubs happened to win last year (which we won't). As far as continual reverts go, I think whoever's doing it is trying out their hand at trolling (one born every minute). We'll just have to put up with it. Aheyfromhome 18:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Why has the fact, that Sevilla FC has won the UEFA Cup 2006-07, no effect on Sevilla FC, no effect on the UEFA Champions League 2007-08, and no effect on the qualification for the UEFA Champions League 2007-08? --88.77.233.180 09:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Because it doesn't have any effect. Sevilla qualified for the Champions League 07-08 by coming third in La Liga 06-07, not by winning the UEFA Cup 06-07. Winning the UEFA Cup 06-07 was merely coincidental in relation to their Champions League 07-08 qualification. - PeeJay 09:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

After AC Milan is - "(automatic qualification as title holders)", therefore showing the reason why they are in the competition. So, adding "(Winner of UEFA Cup 2006-07)" after Sevilla FC could be very easily misinterpreted as meaning that they are in this competition as a result of winning last seasons UEFA Cup. OK so most of us know that is not the case, but anyone viewing the article with no knowledge of the topic, that is without a doubt, how it would read. Therefore, Peejay is correct, it is not appropriate to keep adding into it this article. In addition it does nothing to improve the article, and it could also be argued that if the article were to include details of last seasons UEFA Cup winners, then each club that has won the UEFA Cup, CL (or even the old Cup Winers Cup) should also have that information by their clubs name. But that is clearly neither relevant nor justifiable. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 00:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Second Qualifying Round seeding

Can anyone confirm that the Beitar Jerusalem and Zaglebie Lubin definitely WON'T be seeded. If Dinamo Zagreb or APOEL Nicosia were defeated would that mean the winner from QR1 would be seeded OR would the first two teams get the top spots.

The draws for Q1 and Q2 are done at the same time, so when the ties from Q1 are draw into Q2 the coefficient of the Q1seeded team is carried forward. Basicly the higher co-efficient of the Q1 ties is taken forward by the winners. But I have no idea about the specifics that you're asking about because I'm just in the middle of watching Buzzcocks :D Aheyfromhome 21:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

"Winners Match x" or Club A/Club B formatting

There is some disagreement here over the best way to show the second qualifying round ties. I (and one other editor) have replaced "Winners Match 1" with Khazar Lenkoran/Dinamo Zagreb for example. This is already the format used for the 3rd Qualifying Round, and takes away the need to look back up to see who the teams involved in Match 1 are when looking at potential opponents. - fchd 20:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The draw for the Third qualifying round hasn't been done yet, so the team list for that round is done by UEFA coefficient order, not who will be playing whom. In some ways I agree that it means you don't have to look up the page, but if that's your main point regarding this issue, then I'd say you're just being lazy (no offence!). The official draw at UEFA.com was listed with a "Winners Match x" format, so that's what I reckon we should use here. - PeeJay 20:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that the table for the third qualifying round looks dreadful. I reverted it to a list, but it was changed back to the table with three or four potential teams in a slot (and I did not feel like starting an edit war by re-reverting). This is bad for several reasons. First, it is difficult to read. Second, it does not work well with the sentence that precedes the table, which says that the teams listed below are certain to compete in the third qualifying round. Third, the similarity in table format makes it look like the draw has already been made (Liverpool will play Sparta Prague, Arsenal will play Fenerbahce, etc.) although this has not yet been determined. I vote we return to a list, sorted by UEFA Coefficient and separated into seeded/unseeded teams if desired. —Ed Cormany 15:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree, tbh. I don't know why it was made into a table in the first place, but since it was I was just trying to make it look ordered. - PeeJay 16:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

ERROR

Fenerbahce are cited as a team required to qualify for the Champions League in the third round qualification stage. In fact, the champions of the Turkish Super League automatically qualify for the group stage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.49.6 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Not according to UEFA.com. All the information is accurate as of this date. - PeeJay 08:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This year is a slightly odd year because AC Milan did not qualify for the UCL group stages via Serie A - they are there because of their unfortunate success last season, meaning that some teams end up going back a round Chaza93 18:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Why three qualifying rounds?

Why does UEFA make the Champions of weaker leagues go through three extra rounds than the top 16 seeds? I don't understand. A 76-team tournament should be formatted more like the NCAA Basketball Tournament, where the bottom seeds have to win one more round than the top seeds. Kendanielone 21:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)