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== Audio file ==

um nice reading
um nice reading
[[Special:Contributions/50.12.160.247|50.12.160.247]] ([[User talk:50.12.160.247|talk]]) 12:05, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/50.12.160.247|50.12.160.247]] ([[User talk:50.12.160.247|talk]]) 12:05, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


: The sound file is ridiculous. For this reason, it has become a meme, albeit a minor one, and the source of much humour. The sound file should be removed until a more appropriate one could be sourced. [[User:Mm2000mm|Mm2000mm]] ([[User talk:Mm2000mm|talk]]) 18:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

== Sound File ==

The sound file is ridiculous. For this reason, it has become a meme, albeit a minor one, and the source of much humour. The sound file should be removed until a more appropriate one could be sourced. [[User:Mm2000mm|Mm2000mm]] ([[User talk:Mm2000mm|talk]]) 18:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

== rfc ==

{{rfc|pol|soc|rfcid=3D26923}}


In light of edit warring due to the above [[User:Mm2000mm|Mm2000mm]] ([[User talk:Mm2000mm|talk]]) 18:36, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
In light of edit warring due to the above [[User:Mm2000mm|Mm2000mm]] ([[User talk:Mm2000mm|talk]]) 18:36, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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* '''Keep (If audio can be verified)''' If he is truly a native speaker and it is the accent of Bhutan, it should be kept - regardless of how such an accent sounds to Westerners (which I assume most people here are.) The mere fact that an article is being listed on satirical websites is not a good enough reason to change the article. [[User:Cacra|Cacra]] ([[User talk:Cacra|talk]]) 19:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
* '''Keep (If audio can be verified)''' If he is truly a native speaker and it is the accent of Bhutan, it should be kept - regardless of how such an accent sounds to Westerners (which I assume most people here are.) The mere fact that an article is being listed on satirical websites is not a good enough reason to change the article. [[User:Cacra|Cacra]] ([[User talk:Cacra|talk]]) 19:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

== Counterpoint ==


The sound file is a Bhutanese national treasure and we will not have you committing this erasure of their culture. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.126.145.133|70.126.145.133]] ([[User talk:70.126.145.133|talk]]) 20:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The sound file is a Bhutanese national treasure and we will not have you committing this erasure of their culture. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.126.145.133|70.126.145.133]] ([[User talk:70.126.145.133|talk]]) 20:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Audio file

um nice reading 50.12.160.247 (talk) 12:05, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The sound file is ridiculous. For this reason, it has become a meme, albeit a minor one, and the source of much humour. The sound file should be removed until a more appropriate one could be sourced. Mm2000mm (talk) 18:29, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In light of edit warring due to the above Mm2000mm (talk) 18:36, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The sound file should be kept. The reader claims to be native Bhutanese, which explains the accent. The sound quality IS pretty bad, but if you want another file to be on this page, find someone to read the updated article. Mr. Gerbear|Talk 00:05, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep Not being an expert in the Bhutanese language I don't know if this is a typical presentation of English with Bhutan accent or not. For that reason I agree with Mr. Gerbear that it should be kept pending availability of a new sound file at which time we could replace it. It sounds like there's a slowdown effect occurring with the current recording, or it's out of sync. The reader may be affecting a somewhat dramatic styling. BlueSalix (talk) 14:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It How can anyone seriously think this is real audio? The auto-tuning is so obvious in it (assuming you have decent speakers). The only people able to confirm the origin are anonymous. I thought this place was about [citation needed] and proof that the data is real? Instead this is making this page a joke and therefore insulting to Bhutan. This isn't a "Meme" - this is someone having a joke at the expense of Wikipedia.
If this is a page about a passport, why would it need audio on it? And if you are going to have Bhutanese audio, shouldn't it be an example of Dzongkha and not English? Why does he not pronounce the Dzongkha at the end of the article?
For reference, I came here via a link from the satirical website B3ta.com. They only include the link in the Newsletter as you are looking stupid and racist here. 86.10.167.123 (talk) 20:56, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is the audio not an accurate reading of the article? Just because you personally have an issue with the way this individual speaks is your problem, and no one elses. 65.191.8.82 (talk) 16:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is the English wikipedia, not the Dzongkha wikipedia. Haminoon (talk) 08:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The sound file should be kept. The content corresponds to what was written back then in the article, so it is, as far as content goes, correct. There is a note about the speaker having an accent, whether it is a bhutanese accent or not is up to debate, but in my opinion not relevant. The same goes for the assumption of it being humorous. Obviously throwing around words like "stupid" and "racist" are not helpful for a civilized, pragmatic discussion. And wikipedia should be, after all, fact and not opinion based. Therefore I agree with the other people who say keep: if there is a better file, feel free to replace the current one. Until then I am against removing valid content just based on assumptions or personal views. Wikifoxy (talk) 21:22, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I can't hear any problem with it. Sounds fine to me. Haminoon (talk) 08:37, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep The principle of having a sound file is fine, but possible a clearer sound file should be inserted. I don't like the idea of removing valid content just because it's humorous to people being linked here from external websites. If someone with a clearer accent recited the article as it was written when the sound file was originally added, that would be preferable to the status quo. I don't think "it's being spoken by a native Dzongkha speaker" is an adequate excuse for keeping a low quality sound file that some readers may find difficult to understand. If there is an issue with Dzongkha words being difficult to pronounce, these words should be isolated from the original file and added as short sound clips next to those specific words. Maswimelleu (talk) 18:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep purely for the historical value of the audio and this talk page. This will eventually get its own mention in the troll article. Much lulz. Ours18
  • Keep (If audio can be verified) If he is truly a native speaker and it is the accent of Bhutan, it should be kept - regardless of how such an accent sounds to Westerners (which I assume most people here are.) The mere fact that an article is being listed on satirical websites is not a good enough reason to change the article. Cacra (talk) 19:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The sound file is a Bhutanese national treasure and we will not have you committing this erasure of their culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.145.133 (talk) 20:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

a definite Keep in this case --2601:C:5F00:8FC:8C4D:7B21:BB64:6E3F (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]