Talk:Cameron–Clegg coalition

Where are these details coming from? Cameron has only just been made PM and someone seems to be putting up cabinet positions. Sources?- _J.Logan`^t: 21:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Radio 5 Live has announced Hague, Osborne and Clegg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.169.53.14 (talk) 21:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

BBC Radio 4 is making similar live announcements, apparently on the authority of Conservative Party announcements. None of it's official yet, but it soon will be. BartBassist (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Please editors put up sources along with the names.Foxhound66 (talk) 22:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

These additions should continue to be reverted unless they are sourced. Unfortunately I've exhausted my 3RR here. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:14, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Needs moving

The current article title isn't correct. PhilKnight (talk) 22:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Your proposed merger would require the deletion of all the articles listed at List of British ministries. OCNative (talk) 22:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Pedantry. H7dders (talk) 22:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose But do need to delete the non-Cabinet posts. 86.7.211.128 (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Cabinet

This list contains posts which are not part of the Cabinet. Blair and Brown gave attendance rights to lots of the posts listed here, but they were not Cabinet members. 86.7.211.128 (talk) 22:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

A more accurate list is here:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom

86.7.211.128 (talk) 22:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

More reason to delete the whole thing until reliable sources and confirmation exist. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

What sources do you want? This is breaking news; sort out the sources later. H7dders (talk) 22:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Classic stuff. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Privy Counsellors

Shouldn't we wait before adding 'The Rt Hon' before all of the Cabinet's names..?? Number 10 haven't officially announced any of the Cabinet as of yet, and they have to be sworn of the Privy Council in a meeting with The Queen before they can amend the prefix 'The Rt Hon'. Granted some are already Privy Counsellors i.e. David Cameron and Nick Clegg but the majority are just MPs. PoliceChief (talk) 22:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't see the point of having The Rt Hon before all the names as all Cabinet members are (or will be soon) Privy Councillors. David (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Offices

Why have short titles replaced the proper titles? It's "Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs", not "Foreign Secretary". 86.7.211.128 (talk) 22:32, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Order

Let's look at the ordering. There is a convention, which I summarise here:

• Prime Minister
• Deputy PM / First Secretary of State (note the latter is constitutionally better, though you can see why DPM is being used here)
• The remaining Great Offices of State (Foreign Sec., Home Sec., Chancellor), of which Foreign Secretary has historically been seen as the most senior. (The idea that Chancellor is the top of the three has really only come from Brown's tenure of that office, and his seniority in the Labour Party since 1997.)
• Lord Chancellor (now Justice)
• Senior non-"Great Office" offices: Defence, Business (ex Trade & Industry)
• [Note that the "new politics" posts such as Education and Health might nowadays be listed at this stage, though not necessarily traditionally]
• Other offices starting "Secretary of State for..."
• Other offices which are full members of the Cabinet (i.e. not just "attending Cabinet", or "attending when their issue is on the agenda")
• Everything else

13th Law Lord (talk) 23:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

The order is all screwed up because often posts have been grouped together (Eg deputy primeminister and leader of the house of commons) it would probablly be better to leave the reorganising until all the posts have been filled (Maidels (talk) 23:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC))

And remove the posts which have nothing to do with Cabinet, for example Minister for the Olympics. Blair and Brown used attendance at Cabinet (not membership) as a way to placate internal conflicts and massage egos. 86.7.211.128 (talk) 23:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)