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3 Versions

There have been three versions of Sync to date (Sync, released in '07; Sync 2, released '08; Sync 3, released '09). We should have three headings or something that, at the very least, list the new/improved features. Mbslrm (talk) 14:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

System Costs

It is totally ridiculous to think that the hardware costs of this system would be $30. An OEM quality simple car radio costs more to produce than that. The cost for the box is more like in the 3 lower digit range. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.74.169.87 (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Recording of conversations section

I don't understand why this merits inclusion. There are no references cited to indicate that this is noteworthy. I was not able to turn up any articles doing a few basic internet searches.

Electronic systems regularly record information you give them (Google, Bing and OnStar being three examples) in order to fulfill a request. This is not a new or novel. In the Terms and Conditions Ford is explaining what must happen in order to respond to user requests.

Since there are no citations and I can't find any articles that point out a significant consumer controversy regarding this aspect of SYNC, I'm removing the section since in its present form it seems to be original research. Ch Th Jo (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recording of Conversations removed again. This topic in particular has been singled out from the SYNC Terms and Conditions. Why? What respected, third party sources support highlighting this particular aspect of the Terms and Conditions? Additionally, there is no commentary of any kind, just a cut and paste from the terms and conditions, which itself is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Without third party citations, it is an editor's opinion that this is noteworthy and thus original research. Let's see some articles from respected sources that demonstrate that this particular aspect of the Terms and Conditions is unusual, controversial or in some way noteworthy. At least one editor thinks this is important, but unless we can find some citations that demonstrate that this aspect of the SYNC Terms and Conditions is actually is being discussed and documented by respected sources, it should not be included in the article. I am unable to find any such citations. Ch Th Jo (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:N, "On Wikipedia, notability determines whether a topic merits its own article," and, "These notability guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list." There are no notability requirements for information included within the article itself. The "Recording of Conversations" information is relevant to the subject of the article, and thus as worthy of inclusion as much of the rest of the information in it (which is also not backed up by reputable third-party sources). As for the claim that "Recording of Conversations" section is original research, WP:PRIMARY and WP:ABOUTSELF allow primary and self-published sources, within limits that the information included in this section meets. -- noosphere 16:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a collection of lists or facts per WP:NOT. By simply reproducing a section of the Terms and Conditions without any critical commentary, you are simply listing facts. Why is this particular section of the Terms and Conditions significant? Why are you including this information? What third party sources back up your argument? You have not made any effort to explain why this is significant, so I am removing the section. Ch Th Jo (talk) 04:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree with Ch Th Jo. Without a third party source, it is clearly original research to highlight a particular section from the Terms and Conditions. I think WP:UNDUE is what really applies here, if this is a major issue, surely some source has commented on it. --Leivick (talk) 04:57, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your objections and those of Ch Th Jo equally apply to much of the rest of the information in this article. The "Vehicles offering SYNC" section is just a list of facts (without a single supporting citation, reputable or otherwise). The entire "Sync Versions" section is just a list of facts. The "Applications" section is just a list of facts. The "Features" section is just a list of facts (with but a single citation). There is no commentary in these sections. They are just lists of facts. Why are they there? There been no attempt to justify their inclusion. As for the criticism that the that the "Recording of Conversations" section is insignificant, please show me how the fact that, for instance, the SYNC "will play personal ring tones assigned to identify specific callers" is any more significant. What reputable source is the significance of this factoid from the "Features" section attributed to? The same question could be asked about much of the rest of the contents of this article. Furthermore, as per Leivick's criticism, the content of these sections is mostly uncited, and when they are cited they're mostly citations from Microsoft documentation and the like. These are no better sources than those of the "Recording of Conversations" section, which belongs in this article no less than the rest. -- noosphere 03:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::Wikipedia is not a collection of lists or facts per WP:NOT. By simply reproducing a section of the Terms and Conditions without any critical commentary, you are simply listing facts. Why is this particular section of the Terms and Conditions significant? Why are you including this information? What third party sources back up your argument? You have not made any effort to explain why this is significant, so I am removing the section. [[User:Ch Th Jo|Ch Th Jo]] ([[User talk:Ch Th Jo|talk]]) 04:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 :::::Absolutely agree with Ch Th Jo.  Without a third party source, it is clearly original research to highlight a particular section from the Terms and Conditions. I think [[WP:UNDUE]] is what really applies here, if this is a major issue, surely some source has commented on it. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|Leivick]] ([[User talk:Daniel J. Leivick|talk]]) 04:57, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
-::::::Your objections and those of Ch Th Jo equally apply to much of the rest of the information in this article.  The "Vehicles offering SYNC" section is just a list of facts (without a single supporting citation, reputable or otherwise).  The entire "Sync Versions" section is just a list of facts.  The "Applications" section is just a list of facts.  The "Features" section is just a list of facts (with but a single citation).  There is no commentary in these sections.  They are just lists of facts.  Why are they there?  There been no attempt to justify their inclusion.  As for the criticism that the that the "Recording of Conversations" section is insignificant, please show me how the fact that, for instance, the SYNC will "will play personal ring tones assigned to identify specific callers" is any more significant.  What reputable source is the significance of this factoid attributed to?  The same question could be asked about much of the rest of the contents of this article.  Furthermore, as per Leivick's criticism, the content of these sections is mostly uncited, and when they are cited they're mostly citations from Microsoft documentation and the like.  These are no better sources than those of the "Recording of Conversations" section, which belongs in this article no less than the rest. -- [[User:Noosphere|noosph]]<font color="green">[[User:Noosphere/Esperanza|e]]</font>[[User:Noosphere|re]] 03:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
+::::::Your objections and those of Ch Th Jo equally apply to much of the rest of the information in this article.  The "Vehicles offering SYNC" section is just a list of facts (without a single supporting citation, reputable or otherwise).  The entire "Sync Versions" section is just a list of facts.  The "Applications" section is just a list of facts.  The "Features" section is just a list of facts (with but a single citation).  There is no commentary in these sections.  They are just lists of facts.  Why are they there?  There been no attempt to justify their inclusion.  As for the criticism that the that the "Recording of Conversations" section is insignificant, please show me how the fact that, for instance, the SYNC "will play personal ring tones assigned to identify specific callers" is any more significant.  What reputable source is the significance of this factoid from the "Features" section attributed to?  The same question could be asked about much of the rest of the contents of this article.  Furthermore, as per Leivick's criticism, the content of these sections is mostly uncited, and when they are cited they're mostly citations from Microsoft documentation and the like.  These are no better sources than those of the "Recording of Conversations" section, which belongs in this article no less than the rest. -- [[User:Noosphere|noosph]]<font color="green">[[User:Noosphere/Esperanza|e]]</font>[[User:Noosphere|re]] 03:23, 11 December 2010 (UTC)