Talk:Higgs field

Non-technical? LOL

This is supposed to be non-technical? LOL.

The world is complicated. Still, perhaps there is more that can be done to improve this, where did it lose you? Darryl from Mars (talk) 12:38, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

"a left-handed electron moving north"Feldercarb (talk) 22:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

"near heavily charged particles" are some particles more charged than others?Feldercarb (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

" Higgs field should be higher near heavy particles" the field makes the mass, but the mass makes the field? Feldercarb (talk) 22:37, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not exactly lost, but in my opinion this isn't generally legible. We must assume that readers on all levels are interested in this subject, especially after the recent announcement from CERN. (I'm sorry I can't contribute much to the article since my English isn't good enough.) Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

"There are solutions of the equations of quantum field theory that represent quantised oscillations of these fields." Solutions to equations of theories are, in daily speech, for example, probable interpretations of such theories, or even possible representations of reality. Can we please have a less technical language? Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

"Some quantum fields represent the known elementary particles, while others are brought in to enable spontaneous symmetry breaking to occur." First of all, "spontaneous symmetry breaking" isn't something that would be understood by most. Of course we can't summarize symmetry in one sentence, but this sentence has to be written differently to be understood. Secondly, no quantum fields are introduced by anyone to enable anything. Fields exist or not. Theories are introduced to explain things. The final part of the sentence is just poorly written. Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The paragraph on force unification / field unification should include a very short intro to the presumed existence of different forces / fields and the wish for simplification and unification of (he theories on) those forces / fields. Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

There's no need to use force and interaction interchangeably in a basic article. One word should be used consistently and, if necessary, explained. Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The synonymity of particle and carrier should be explained, or only one should be used. Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

"The "machinery" of the Higgs mechanism, the procedure by which spontaneous symmetry breaking endows gauge fields of zero mass with mass, is based on the assumption of the existence of a scalar field, the "Higgs field", which permeates all of space." The links to gauge field and scalar field may be satisfactory to the routine reader, but I think to novice readers, albeit interested, this is not very helpful. If gauge fields or scalar fields are relevant to understanding the Higgs field, this should be explained in more detail (and understandibly). If there's just a slight difference of theories, however, it could be presented briefly as a difference in theoretical assumptions. Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The analogy to blotting paper is interesting to technical readers, but it bears no meaning to a reader who never set foot in a chemistry or biology lab. Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

This is maybe out of my league, but is theoretical, physical "mass" really understood in the public? Could there be a sentence in the introduction that relates mass to daily life, e.g. mass is the "heavy" property, not the "large" property? And maybe we could write "heavy" instead of "massive" - perhaps not theoretically precise, but it might be easier to understand. Eddi (Talk) 20:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Mass, spin, charge

How does the relativity idea that mass bends space reconcile with the Higgs thingie? Higgs explains mass - are we talkin inertia mass or gravitational mass or they are the same? reminds me of ether: do we expect a Higgs-wind as the earth moves thru space Feldercarb (talk) 22:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, spin...Well. Darryl from Mars (talk) 00:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear, no dears, please. If it matters, please tell it in the article and explain it in the article. Eddi (Talk) 22:35, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

1) Left handed means its spin is pointing in the opposite direction to its momentum, the way it's moving. 2) Yes, quarks tend to have charges that are (-)1/3 or 2/3s of the electron charge. and the statement could also apply to more charged things in general, not just particles. 3) And, the Higgs field is higher near certain particles, that makes them heavier. Like...there's more water in a more absorbent sponge, even though holding more water is what makes the sponge more absorbent, its not circular, its actually a tautology, I suppose. 4) Well, relativity still happens, the higgs field is just why things have mass, then those things with mass go and do massive particle things, like have gravity and classical momentum. Also, the whole 'curving spacetime' thing is sorta a way of postulating that inertial and gravitational mass are just two aspects of the same quality, and that explains why they seem so exactly the same all the time. 5) Higgs wind...I can't see why there would be, things get mass by attaching to the Higgs field, or soaking it up, or however you want to put it; there isn't really a directional aspect to it like the propagation of light. But I could be wrong, somewhat. Darryl from Mars (talk) 00:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Reference #10 "Piel 180" is extremely vague. Can somebody please provide a more robust citation here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.74.219.145 (talk) 10:58, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

possibly discovered?

Isn't "possibly discovered" more like news coverage? The phrase doesn't even make a whole lot of sense to someone who doesn't know what it is yet.

66.30.48.212 (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone else find it strange...

...that we already have an "entry-level" version of the Higgs field article before having a regular version of said article? Doesn't an article like this usually pop up only as a supplementary version of the article instead of the only article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.255.107.182 (talk) 22:33, 5 July 2012 (UTC)