Talk:Rojava conflict

Renaming suggestion

The name here is OR at best and biased at worst. I suggest renaming to SDF campaign in Syria. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 06:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

I want support but SDF is from 2015 and this started in 2011. Do you know better names? Shadow4dark (talk) 08:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

May be "Kurdish YPG campaign in northern Syria". Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 15:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

These proposals are just as bad as the current title, as they ignore the dozens of non-YPG and non-SDF groups involved in this conflict. Btw, Rojava conflict is not really OR; "Rojava revolution" gets 198.000 hits on google, including academic sources. Applodion (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Using the name "rojava conflict" means that there was a region by this name, and people are fighting over it, which simply is not true. The name rojava (meaning west in Kurdish) was made up by PYD during the war to depict Kurdish-inhabited regions. Another suggestion would be "northeastern Syria conflict", which is very neutral and correctly describes the area. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

See Rojava. I wouldn't describe either Afrin Region or Hajin as northeast. Konli17 (talk) 23:20, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Afrin region is no longer part of this. Last time I checked Hajin was part of Deir Ezzor, not known for having Kurds. When the Kurdish administration itself does not go by the rojava name, no entity in the world uses this name, and no map outside PYD/Kurdish sites AND wikipedia uses this name, then we should not be using this name. Here is a map of what you call rojava, made by pro-PYD people. Unless I am missing something, these are the original areas inhabited by Kurds in Syria (still mixed with Arabs for the most part). Similar maps produced by CIA, BBC, The Economist, U of Hawaii and other entities agree with this, more or less. If you want to call any area occupied by Kurdish fighters rojava, then that's military occupation, plain and simple, and Wikipedia is no place to spread this bullshit. I'll be opening this discussion on the main rojava page soon. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 04:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

And BTW, Konli17 I see you're back from the block, welcome back and I hope you can engage in a more civilized discussion now. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Picture of Ras al-Ayn

Using the picture of Ras al-Ayn in et his article and referring to it by a Kurdish name, rather than the centuries old Arabic name is a huge credibility problem here. This is of course no surprise give the record of pro-YPG users here. If you want to use a picture showing YPG fighters, then at least use a town that is currently under YPG occupation, there is still a few. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 23:26, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Amr. I just wanted to say that the image is supposed to depict a historical event, not the current situation. I did, however, not properly look at the image (I didn't notice the Kurdish name being used, for example). I have now adjusted the image to better reflect its intended purpose - namely, illustrating an event. Thank you for pointing out these issues. Applodion (talk) 08:14, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough, thank you. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 04:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

You could say "Ras al-Ayn, called _____ by Kurds..." 2605:8D80:4C0:2C9B:A433:6346:13B9:FDBA (talk) 02:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Conflict/revolution

Rojava Revolution currently redirects here. I don't think it should, as the revolution refers more to the social changes that have come about as a result of the conflict. Konli17 (talk) 19:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I think you are on to something here. Maybe the solution to the people who dislike the term "Rojava Conflict" is to rename the article "Rojava Revolution". That way, the article allows for a little "bias", as it is about what the Kurds are doing. I personally don't mind Rojava Conflict, but I would rather the article talk about the "revolution", and have a section on the conflict, or cooperation, with the neighbours. 2605:8D80:4C0:2C9B:A433:6346:13B9:FDBA (talk) 02:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I was thinking more along the lines of two separate articles. Konli17 (talk) 02:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I guess this should be renamed to "The Kurdish occupation of northeastern Syria". Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 03:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)