Talk:United Nations System

United Nations and United Nations System?

Seriously, what's difference between United Nations and United Nations System? I mean is UNS a some kind of organization, mere concept or something else? -- Taku 01:33 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, the United Nations refers just to the UN, but the United Nations System refers to the whole network of international organizations, treaties and conventions that were created by the United Nations. If you go to the UN the people who work there are always referring to the UN System, it is definitely distinct from the United Nations proper. Alex756 01:39 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

I know this is an old post but maybe I can revive the discussion. I think Alex756's argument is not very sound. To say that "the United Nations refers just to the UN" is a circular reference, like saying "a bird is a bird is a bird". I think what Alex756 means instead is the United Nations Organization, which is composed of the six Principal Organs. I think that is much clearer than "UN" alone. If employed in this way, the term "UN System" would likewise convey a clearer meaning, namely, the "UN Principal Organs plus all subsidiary and related entities and agreements". I therefore suggest to change the terminology accordingly.Karl Magnus (talk) 14:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

INCB

Where does the International Narcotics Control Board fit into this? Rad Racer 05:29, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Put it beside the Commission for Narcotic Drugs. Alinor (talk) 04:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

REVIEWS

Whoever is responsible for the construction and the upkeep of this page did an OUSTANDING JOB in the description of THE UN SYSTEM. REVO2 17:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

WTO UN link

I can't find any source linking WTO with the UN. Unlike the other "Related organizations" that are clearly linked to the UN - the WTO seems to be a completely separate organization (yes, multiple UN agencies are WTO observers and WTO is observer/participant in multiple UN agencies/organizations, but this is different that WTO to be "part of" the UN System). Alinor (talk) 16:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC) Also, [1], makes differentiation between "WTO" and "the UN Organizations". And I still can't find source showing WTO as a UN System organization. Alinor (talk) 07:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The WTO is not a member of the United Nations System, though its executive head is a member of the United Nations Chief Executives Board (CEB). The WTO's predecessor, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), was a de factor part of both the United Nations and the common system of salaries and benefits.新選組 (talk) 03:09, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Article title? (capitalization)

Seems like "United Nations system", with "system" not capitalized, would be more in keeping with WP:MOS. Any objections to moving this article to that technically more correct name? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 02:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see your comment earlier, but I think that System should be capitalized since it's part of a proper noun. Due to attribution issues, you can't cut and paste move an article like you did. However, if you'd like to propose that the page be moved you should start a WP:RM . TDL (talk) 19:31, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Not fixed... Apologies for the method. I've been having trouble with Twinkle's move function sometimes lately: it would not let me do a simple move. Substantive rationale: if you read through the article virtually every reference is to the "United Nations system". This is appropriate, in my opinion. The only exceptions are when there is a formal institution, such as the "United Nations System College System" or the governing board. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 20:47, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem! The reason you couldn't do a simple move was because your target name already had a history of its own. Simple moves can only be made when the target does not exist, or is a redirect with a single edit.

The UN seems to refer to it with capitals ([2], [3]) which is why I'd presume that it's a proper noun. But I think you can make a case either way. As I said above, it might be helpful to start a RM so that we can get some more input. TDL (talk) 21:37, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Nice chart! I find some inconsistency at the UN regarding use of a capital 'S' for system, but most references, I agree, seem to be capitalized. I'll let it rest here for now. Other input welcome, of course! Kind regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 21:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

IAEA

As far as I am aware the relationship between the IAEA and the UN is defined not by a UN General Assembly Resolution but by the a formal agreement published by the IAEA as INFCIRC/11. NPguy (talk) 01:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Lede - remove unnecessary details and a correction

I propose that we remove unnecessary details from the lede since those are already elaborated on in the respective article sections, namely the complex status of one of the affiliated organizations, the WTO. Also, the current lede wrongly states that all executives are CEB members, but there are some exceptions (see source below). (item1 is current, item2 is proposed text)

1. The United Nations System consists of the United Nations, its subsidiary organs (including the separately-administered funds and programmes), the specialized agencies, and affiliated organizations. The executive heads of the United Nations System organizations and the World Trade Organization, which is not formally part of the United Nations System, have seats on the United Nations System Chief Executives' Board for Coordination (CEB).
2. The United Nations System consists of the United Nations, its subsidiary organs (including the separately-administered funds and programmes), the specialized agencies, and affiliated organizations. Their executive heads of are members of the United Nations System Chief Executives' Board for Coordination (CEB), with some exceptions.

References

Japinderum (talk) 11:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)