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The comments date to 2007, before Wakefield's fraudulent paper was retracted. It predates the large number of studies since that retraction which show no association, causal or otherwise, between vaccines and autism. This fails [[WP:UNDUE]]/[[WP:FRINGE]] (and of course [[WP:MEDRS]]). <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 00:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
The comments date to 2007, before Wakefield's fraudulent paper was retracted. It predates the large number of studies since that retraction which show no association, causal or otherwise, between vaccines and autism. This fails [[WP:UNDUE]]/[[WP:FRINGE]] (and of course [[WP:MEDRS]]). <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 00:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Go read Wakefield’s paper. I bet you never have. It is far from a critique of all vaccines and it is FAR from the sum total of vaccine data we have now. There are HUNDREDS of studies in peer reviewed journals that critique aspects of our current vaccine schedule. [[User:CMTBard|CMTBard]] ([[User talk:CMTBard|talk]]) 14:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


==Confusing sentence==
==Confusing sentence==

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Attkisson

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On January 9, 2019, Full Measure, hosted by investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson, alleged that the U.S. government concealed the expert opinion of one of their own expert witnesses in a 2007 hearing in the federal vaccine court. In a sworn affidavit, Dr Andrew Zimmerman stated that he believes that narrow circumstances might exist in which the combination of pre-existing mitochondrial dysfunction and vaccination could trigger autism spectrum disorder, and when he told this to government attorneys he was dismissed as an expert witness. His opinion is based on personal anecdotal evidence with his own patients and not based upon any scientific research data.[1][2]

References

I reverted because it is atrociously sourced. First, Attkisson is a known antivaxer, so anything she says about vaccines is, at best, motivated reasoning, if not outright conspiracist bullshit. Second, the Snopes source is not the main Snopes database of debunked claims, so the fact that Attkisson's claims are false is in quite small writing down at the bottom. Third, YouTube links to antivax propaganda that is shown to be false by the only thing close to a reliable source offered by the person adding the content? Seriously?

The comments date to 2007, before Wakefield's fraudulent paper was retracted. It predates the large number of studies since that retraction which show no association, causal or otherwise, between vaccines and autism. This fails WP:UNDUE/WP:FRINGE (and of course WP:MEDRS). Guy (Help!) 00:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Go read Wakefield’s paper. I bet you never have. It is far from a critique of all vaccines and it is FAR from the sum total of vaccine data we have now. There are HUNDREDS of studies in peer reviewed journals that critique aspects of our current vaccine schedule. CMTBard (talk) 14:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing sentence

In the first paragraph there is this sentence:

Vaccinologist Peter Hotez researched the growth of the false claim and concluded that its spread originated with Andrew Wakefield's fraudulent 1998 paper - only earlier paper in the peer reviewed literature, a single case study, rejected any causal link.

I'm not sure what the stuff after the dash means. It makes little sense grammatically and I'm not sure if it's asserting there was only 1 paper (a case study) published prior to Wakefield's work, or something else entirely. I'm going to remove it for now but if someone can parse it and re-write it that'd be neat.

Institute of Medicine

The IoM study cited by the CDC on their page does not rule out autism caused by vaccines. It says that we still can’t determine one way or the other. CMTBard (talk) 14:30, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]