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Removing all this nonsense. Ss112 stay away from my talk page or I'm going to WP:ANI. I warned you to leave me alone |
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==Perfect (Ed Sheeran song)== |
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Hi Abi-Maria. As has been stated before by several users on matters like these, Wikipedia's listing on [[WP:CHART]] is not an exhaustive list. The list even states itself "Many reliable charts are not included on this list, primarily due to archiving problems" i.e. that it is not exhaustive, and there ''are'' acceptable charts that are not listed there. It doesn't make everything not listed there a "bad chart". What is ''not'' acceptable is listed under [[WP:BADCHARTS]] on that page. For instance, the Malaysian chart is run by the [[Recording Industry Association of Malaysia]], so it is acceptable. Same deal with the [[SloTop50]]. The Lebanon Top 20 is debatable, as it doesn't appear to be for one particular network. However, it is fair enough to remove single radio stations' charts (like Kiss FM Romania and M-1 from Lithuania) as violating [[WP:SINGLENETWORK]]. <b><font color="#FF6347">[[User:Ss112|Ss]]</font><small><font color="#1E90FF">[[User talk:Ss112|112]]</font></small></b> 08:32, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Ss112}} I absolutely don't see how Slovenia is reliable at all? Where has there been this consensus that it is? According to the pdf file given for the Malaysia sources, it is a streaming chart and not given by Recording Industry Association but by BMAT, which is? I can't recognize any notability or reliability from the source. Regarding WP:CHARTS Those with archiving problems are listed below the table. With the exhausting list of component and unreliable charts being added to articles these days it is absolutely necessary to work by a Wikipedia guideline and policy. A consensus needs to be made before a chart can be deemed reliable on here and I don't see any consensus for any of these dodgy charts. [[User:Abi-Maria|Abi-Maria]] ([[User talk:Abi-Maria#top|talk]]) 08:48, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::There doesn't need to be consensus to include charts. There has never been any word here that "you can only add charts if you have consensus". You made a bold edit, I reverted it. Also, you appear to be contradicting yourself now. You've cited [[WP:CHART]], a guideline, in your edits, mistakenly believing it is the be-all and end-all for what is allowed to be included when it says it is not, so don't take it as one. You should start a discussion at a related charts page asking for consensus to remove these if you think they are unreliable. [[SloTop50]] states: "SAZAS (The association of composers and authors for protection of copyright of Slovenia) follows 61 various radio stations across Slovenia". Automatically reliable; it's a broad survey run by the recording association of the country. The Malaysian chart uses a file from http://rim.org.my/, which is the official site. Others will disagree with what is "dodgy" and what is not, so take it to a talk page per [[WP:BOLD]], as you have been reverted. Thanks. <b><font color="#FF6347">[[User:Ss112|Ss]]</font><small><font color="#1E90FF">[[User talk:Ss112|112]]</font></small></b> 08:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:::I don't appreciate the way you are jumping down my throat and making accusations. There have been several attempts at consensus on the WP:CHART talk page regarding these charts but nothing has come of it. Your judgement does not make them notable or reliable. I would suggest you try gain consensus at the WP:CHART talk page. [[User:Abi-Maria|Abi-Maria]] ([[User talk:Abi-Maria#top|talk]]) 09:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::::Making accusations? You're saying [[WP:CHART]] is the be-all and end-all. Not an accusation. You essentially said if it's not on [[WP:CHART]] it isn't reliable, when the page itself says it's not an exhaustive list. I would suggest you get consensus for '''YOUR''' judgement that a chart is unreliable before removing it wherever you please. I've told you why the charts listed are reliable, because they are '''published by the official recording industry associations of those countries'''. I'm getting an administrator involved because you don't get [[WP:BOLD]] (when reverted, ''you'' discuss), and one more revert on [[Your Song (Rita Ora song)]] and you're over 3RR. <b><font color="#FF6347">[[User:Ss112|Ss]]</font><small><font color="#1E90FF">[[User talk:Ss112|112]]</font></small></b> 10:11, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::::Also, "here have been several attempts at consensus on the WP:CHART talk page regarding these charts but nothing has come of it." '''Where?''' Did '''you''' seek consensus for them being unreliable? I doubt it. Your judgement does not make something unreliable or not notable. So then therefore we come back to [[WP:BRD]]. You were reverted in the first place after making a bold edit, now you discuss. <b><font color="#FF6347">[[User:Ss112|Ss]]</font><small><font color="#1E90FF">[[User talk:Ss112|112]]</font></small></b> 10:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:::::{{U|Ss112}} Consensus for the Slovenia airplay chart has been attempted 3 times to no result at [[Wikipedia_talk:Record_charts/Archive_13]] also no verification for Malaysia streaming chart in the same archive. I'm disappointed to see you go on this witch hunt on other users talk pages claiming I'm a problem editor who edit wars and gets warned often? What nonsense. The above "warning" was placed unjustified by an IP user?! I have not violated any Wikipedia rules in the 2 years I've been on here. I definitely know how things work around here and am shocked to see you don't. I don't see how you edit warring to ***KEEP*** UNVERIFIED charts on Wikipedia is the sign of an experienced editor. You yourself claim the Lebanon radio chart is "pending further investigation" but then readd it, same with the Romania Kiss FM chart readding it to [[What About Us (Pink song)]] despite claiming yourself it is WP:SINGLEVENDOR. I am failing to see how your behaviour is in good faith and it appears to be more a case of [[WP:WIKIHOUNDING]]. [[User:Abi-Maria|Abi-Maria]] ([[User talk:Abi-Maria#top|talk]]) 13:35, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::::::Unverified by who? I've just told you the Slovenian chart is published by SAZAS, the recording industry association of Slovenia. How is that not official? That's like saying the [[Australian Recording Industry Association]] is not the official chart publisher of Australia. Same with Malaysia. The [[Recording Industry Association of Malaysia]] (recognised by the [[IFPI]]) published that link; the URL is literally from their official site. And I subsequently removed the Romanian radio station on [[What About Us (Pink song)]]. Also, if the charts didn't have consensus to be removed, then there is still '''no consensus for their removal''', even though the users I see in that archive link were not asking if they should be removed; one asked if the Slovenian chart is reliable, and the other was simply informing editors they would be adding the Malaysian chart. The Lebanese chart is on the borderline; [[The Official Lebanese Top 20]] says its airplay data is compiled by [[Ipsos]], which indicates it's not from a single network or station, and that it is syndicated in various publications. If these factors were not present, I would have left it removed. I was going to look further into it later. I didn't even add these charts in the first place—that would be ChrisMartinYoung. Furthermore, I didn't say you violated any rules, I said your actions were edit warring—which happened just earlier. I regularly ask or inform users if they can help out with things; hardly a "witch hunt". In this case, I asked ''three'' users (including an admin; and two on one talk page) if they could help out against your crusade against charts you deem unreliable but no other editor has had a problem with. Hardly "wikihounding" you—all the pages you've done this on are on my watchlist. <b><font color="#FF6347">[[User:Ss112|Ss]]</font><small><font color="#1E90FF">[[User talk:Ss112|112]]</font></small></b> 13:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::::::I understand what you are saying and I am going to start a discussion at WP:CHARTS regarding these charts which I hope you and others will participate in so we can come to a consensus. The only pages I removed Lithuania, Romania, Croatia, Slovenia etc was [[Your Song (Rita Ora song)]], [[Perfect (Ed Sheeran song)]], [[What About Us (Pink song)]] that is hardly a "crusade" and I stand behind what I say regarding consensus for these charts. We don't need any random chart being added on Wiki especially if they violate WP:SINGLEVENDOR and are unverified/not notable. I don't feel my justified concerns warranted the accusations of me being a problem editor who gets warned and edit wars often, especially on other users talk pages, but all the best to you. [[User:Abi-Maria|Abi-Maria]] ([[User talk:Abi-Maria#top|talk]]) 14:03, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:::::::I agree with the removal of Lithuania and Romania. However, Slovenia and Malaysia are not single vendors, they're recording industry associations' official charts. I agree, we don't want every single chart under the sun added to Wikipedia, and there are some we can rule outright for being blogs or single radio stations' own charts. I apologise if what I said about you elsewhere offended you, however it was a fleeting glance at the above warning and an assumption you were newer and unaware of [[WP:BRD]]. <b><font color="#FF6347">[[User:Ss112|Ss]]</font><small><font color="#1E90FF">[[User talk:Ss112|112]]</font></small></b> 14:16, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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== November 2017 == |
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[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Your Song (Rita Ora song)]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|BRD]] for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. |
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'''Being involved in an edit war can result in your being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''—especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—'''even if you don't violate the three-revert rule'''—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> <b><font color="#FF6347">[[User:Ss112|Ss]]</font><small><font color="#1E90FF">[[User talk:Ss112|112]]</font></small></b> 10:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC) |
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== A friendly word of caution == |
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{{caution|Please be careful with your editing. Some of your recent contributions have come close to edit warring. It looks like you are involved in a content dispute and have questions about whether certain charts can be cited. This needs to be resolved in a talk page discussion. If you are not getting anywhere see [[WP:DR]] for suggestions on other avenues for dispute resolution. The important thing is to avoid edit warring which is always disruptive. Best regards... -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 14:35, 27 November 2017 (UTC)}} |
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