User talk:FeatherPluma
Thank You for your contribution and You comments on the article and also for spending time to improve it!
It is clearly a long article and very difficult to write, it's much more easy to write about "Ostoja coat of arms" and it's history that in polish Wiki is FA class article. Here I struggele to make it to GA. Still most references need page nr to be included and language can also be improvewd a lot. It's just question of time and to improve - but it really take time! The content in the article is surely based on the best we have of today, there is no question about it. It's all about to put it together in good way.
Yes, it is not a fairy tell story to tell and some sections like you noticed are not ency. I added them just to make the article more "light" to read since it's already very long heavy - people would fall asleep by reading half of the article ;) But also, mind that Wikipedia was never made to be Encyclopedia but the articles with for ex FA class have to be ency. Thats a difference. Therefore, I would still think to have this small story about the Mead and fighting clans as something nice to read. On the other hand, I fully understand Your corrections in this matter. Your correction make article better and more ency. Still, it looss some of its charm. In the article we have so much facts and heavy things anyway - is it not possible to make small "joke" inside it after all? :)
Once again, I'm very gratefull for Your comments and changes! Best regards, Camdan 00:18, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually, the story about knight fighting in "karczma" is very true! :) Maybe not about the Ostoja but Im not sure that Ostoja knights act different from others. When reading Norman Davis and his "God's playground", there is also a story about nobility meeting where the nobility supose to vote for certain change or agree on what to vote for in Sejm. The story tell that people close to the meeting place run for life from such place or they simply try to hide somewhere. The first they saw was the wagons with alcohol, after wagons with food and in the end - the nobility. The feast was always paid by the Lord of the area that also told the nobility how to vote. So instead of having meeting and discuss important matters, this was kind of a party. In those meetings, there where always disputes about "most beutiful wife" or other and it was common that many start to fight each other. They did not kille anyone but day after such meeting, you could always find several peaces of noses, ears or other small parts of the body :) It is nothing polish noble should be proud of and it was terrible behavior that finally lead to the end of the nation but I still can see funny side of the story. And its also the truth. Do you still think that it is not enciclopedic? Best regards, Camdan 16:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
- Camden, I started a little work, at this point on the lede. Please confirm that I have not introduced unintended fact errors in the first 2 paragraphs of the article. I am going to work on this bit by bit with you, in tiny chunks.FeatherPluma (talk) 02:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
You have done great improvement on the lead! Only thing I would change is "hundreds of families", this because there are no hundreds of families in the clan, there are hundreds of names and different spellings like Irzykowski and Jerzykowski - two names but same line of the Ostoja -sometimes the name could be spelled in 3-5 different ways. Similar, Jerzykowski and Baranowski or Chelmski and Poniecki are same family. There is at least 50 names of the families where it is difficult to find evindence that they are members of the clan since the documents during the partition time where often not correct. I would rather say approx 200 families that are partly blod related with each other. Best regards, Camdan 22:11, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
I will read carefully all changes done, at first it looks very good and You are improving the article in great way. THere is an error regarding the meaning of Ostoja. It should be translated as "mainstay". I ned more time to check all changes, right now im out of time but will come back to You as soon as possible. best regards, Camdan 20:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that I did not answer on Your questions lately, I had no chance at all to read all the changes done since, thik that in few weeks time I will find time to see through all of this and all Your comments. I read the article and generally You have done such a great work on the article and I'm deeply gratefull for Your help to improve it. In many way, the article seems to be much better! There are few things that I already saw that we could discuss about how to add but they are not many. Regarding meaning of the world Ostoja - it means "mainstay" and it was a battle cry of the Clan in medieval time. We don't know when it changed to be a name of knights that took part of the Clan. It is clear the Moscic, the Voivode/ duke of Greater Polad was from Ostoja family year 1242. Then, there is lot of general info in the article that could be moved to main article about Pl history or polish nobility. However, to understand the situation and time correctly, it help the article so common people understand better. Otherwise, this article would be readable for just a few.
- I will come back with comments as soon as possible. Again, congratulations for exellent work on this difficult article! Sincerely, Camdan 18:34, 7 january 2012 (UTC)
- Greetings! I had now time to read the article. Did small changes, not much after You done most of it. I wish to keep the history part since as I wrote earlier, it is almost necessary to add it. Polish history is very complicated and to understand the article about Clan of Ostoja in proper way, it should stay. However, I do understand that the history part is not directly linked to the article.
- I really don't know how to thank You for Your great effort and excellent contribution! So I will give You a star! :)Best regards, camdan 19:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- You wrote "Your input on this project is sorely missed. FeatherPluma (talk) 20:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)" - Im really sorry that I could not contribute more. I had lately 3 funerals at almost same time, including my Mothers. I hope You understand. Sincerely, camdan 19:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
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people section - probably send to TAB?
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The Value of monogamy is a worthy topic. Please don't "go away mad" just because a few deletionists got their hooks in it. You can always userfy it: move it to User:FeatherPluma/Value of monogamy, and I'll help you with it with no time pressure.
Or ask the Wikipedia:Article Rescue Squadron for help. They pitched on and saved a few of mine. --Uncle Ed(talk) 05:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
see response correspondent's talk pageFeatherPluma (talk) 05:50, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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