User talk:Sj/Archive/User Page Award

Archive 1

Judges who are late 2

Hey everybody, once again we have had judges late sending in scores, so we've found a replacment judge, pschemp, and we will be awarding this weeks winner with only 3 scores. We are trying to find a way to resolve this now as I write this. We will have a winner announced soon. ALSO for anyone who wants to be a judge I direct you to this: page There only two criteria to be a judge for this. Be a member of Esperanza, and be willing to do it. Thanks again everyone! KnowledgeOfSelf 15:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Meh, one of the late judges was me. No excuses; I just forgot about it. My apologies! I just sent my scores to Banes, so hopefully they can be counted. Perhaps a solution for late judges is to sign up alternate judges. So, 5 people sign up to be judges, and perhaps the next 2 sign up as alternates. --Fang Aili 16:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Another suggestion: Could we possibly post, in bold letters, and deadline for when judges need to get their finalist and scores in? It might help (*cough, cough* help people like me *cough*). --Fang Aili 16:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I was first judge to get my results to Banes :D ! Ian13/talk 16:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Both of those are really good ideas - making the deadline very noticable, and appointing alternates should hopefully take care of all possible problems. -- Natalya 18:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and rewrite some of the page, to not only reflect proposed changes, but to aslo make the page easier to understand. KnowledgeOfSelf 18:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC) I wasn't so bold, I made the changes on a subpage of mine! :P

User:KnowledgeOfSelf/Experiments Please check out the changes, but do not modify the page, unless you see spelling errors, or anything of that nature. Leave any changes you want to make to this new design/re-write on my talk page. That will make it easier for me to go over all new info that will be added. Thanks! KnowledgeOfSelf 19:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

As one of the judges who was late in sending the results, I apologise. The reason for this is that once I had chosen my finalist, I was under the impression that we were then prompted to score the 5 finalist pages by the overseer. I got confused by the wording of the talk page instructions that the judges get left. Again, I apologise.

Maybe if the judges were sent a second talk page message informing them of the 5 finalists and instructing them to get judging, this would eliminate the problem. Just a thought. haz _(user talk)^e 17:49, 10 March 2006

Yes, when I saw the 5 had been choosen on the page - I was unsure of whether to score and send results or not. Ian13/talk 19:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

We got such a message when we judged the first round - I guess it is not being done anymore? If not, that would probably help out a lot. See my talk page for the message. It was a good reminder to get. -- Natalya 19:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that kind of thing is what we need. Perhaps something based on upajudge?

Hi Sj/Archive/User Page Award. This is a quick message to remind you that all 5 finalists for the Esperanza User Page Award have been chosen. You now need to judge those 5 pages, awarding each one 1-10 points for attractiveness, usefulness, interesting-ness and general niceness. Refer to the Scores section at Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award if you are unsure.

Once you have scored the 5 pages, email [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] using the specified format. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced! Thanks.

Any thoughts? haz _(user talk)^e 20:30, 10 March 2006

It's a good idea, but that brings the number of templates for this project up to four, granted that might not be very many when compared to templates for warning vandals, but those are templates that are used numerous times daily by many people. Already having three templates is confusing to me, so a fourth one is something I'd like to avoid. Then again that is just me. Maybe I should find a "full time spammer" whose job will be to maintain and spam the current users involved in the week's contest. Any takers for that position? :P Also I haven't heard any feedback from the proposed revision of the UPA page. In case you missed it, it is located at my experiments page. User:KnowledgeOfSelf/Experiments. Also to address comments like "Maybe if the judges were sent a second talk page message informing them of the 5 finalists and instructing them to get judging, this would eliminate the problem." and "We got such a message when we judged the first round - I guess it is not being done anymore? If not, that would probably help out a lot." I apologize! I asked last week’s overseer to "prod" the judges who had not sent in their scores with a message asking them to. I think we had a miscommunication, which has led to this whole thread of conversation, which might not be a bad thing, as I feel we are improving this program already! Thanks again. KnowledgeOfSelf 20:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I like, we could even merge with current template, just use switch, and |1}} or |2}} for which template you would like to use. Ian13/talk 14:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I've created such a template at User:Haza-w/Sandbox (visit User talk:Haza-w/Sandbox to see it in action). Practical? haz _(user talk)^e 16:49, 11 March 2006

I would support it. Ian13/talk 20:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey, everyone. I do not think that this many changes should be made to the UPA. Over time I expect and welcome new and improved changes, but as of right now, I think the new rewrite of the UPA will do nicely. I'm going to implement it soon, and we will see how this next contest goes. If there still seems to be a problem than it can be discussed and attempts at improvement will be more than welcome. As of right now on both IRC, my talk page and to some degree here, the rewrite appears to be accepted. So I'd like the overhaul of template changes to cease for now. I just do not think the templates are the problem, it was the actual page which had some confusing and rather unnecessary content. Those issues have been addressed. Thanks everyone KnowledgeOfSelf 19:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

With regard to the templates, I agree that we should wait until the next contest is over before we begin to discuss changes to them.

I would make a request, which you are all welcome to ignore (I won't hold it against you!): that no-one who discussed the problems at this page signs up to be a judge this time. It would then be a more ideal environment to see whether or not the implemented changes have worked, which I hope they do.

With regard to the Upajudge template, I still feel that it is a bit confusing, and that the minor modification I proposed to it could help clear things up, if only a little. But, as I say, let's stand back for the time being, and let's hope there isn't a "Judges who are late 3" section at the end of this round..! haz _(user talk)^e 10:06, 12 March 2006

I'd be interested in being an official spammer, but I'd need more information on exactly what I would do and what templates are at the disposal of the spammer. --File:CVU2.PNG Driken^{T ND} 18:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

You could try asking FireFox as he's done it before. Petros471 12:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I may have to retract that offer, at least temporarily. My computer is broken. Only my leet skillz keep me on the internet... Well as a summary, until my laptop arrives, home internet time is sort of at a minimum. --File:CVU2.PNG Driken^{T ND} 18:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Time between judging

Is there any specific time one should wait between signing up to be a judge again? I didn't know if there were any guidelines, or if you just make sure anyone who wants to do it does before you do. -- Natalya 22:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't think there is. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 11:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Only if your user page is nominated are you ineligible to judge. (Even then, you can choose to remove your page nomination and remain a judge.) Apart from that, all Esperanza members are eligible to become a judge. I'm off on a break, see you all soon! haz (user talk) 12:35, 24 March 2006

If you did it last time, I'd ask you to let someone else do it this time, other than that....its fine.pschemp | talk 13:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Nomnating a past winner?

It seems that Mailer diablo's userpage has been nominated for the UPA award, but it was a previous winner. I am assuming that pages cannot win more than once, so is there any good way to list past winners so that they are not re-nominated? If we listed them all on the page, it might get quite long as the contest progressed - maybe a link saying "Be sure to check if the page you want to nominate has already won the UPA", and then link to the archive? -- Natalya 18:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• We tend to see many of the same pages nominated week after week. Perhaps we should consider a "once per month" rule, just to give others a shot? – ClockworkSoul 20:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's any problem nominating people more than once - the problem arise when we nominate people who have already won the contest. -- Natalya 22:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Problem with multiple nominations of the same page is that there are a fixed number of slots, and it's not really fair for one userpage to take up one every week.TheJabberwock 00:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Very true. The award isn't serving its purpose if it turns into a revolving door, where the same users are pretty much nominated every week. Really, it wouldn't hurt us to have to find a few gems among the less-known users: it would raise their respective personal profiles, and maybe integrate them a bit further into the community. – ClockworkSoul 00:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)