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-====[[:Category:Animal liberation movement]]====
-There's a lot of confusion surrounding this, so I'm bringing it here for clarification. This category was proposed for deletion or renaming to Animal rights by Grutness (I can't find the vote, but will post a link when I do). As an alternative to renaming, he suggested that two categories should exist: Animal rights and Animal liberation movement. I therefore went ahead and did that, splitting the animal rights articles into (a) a main category called Animal rights containing general articles about the concept and issues and (b) a subcategory of Animal rights called Animal liberation movement, containing articles about activists/groups/campaigns. I then paid no more attention to the CfD vote because I thought the matter was settled.
-Now [[User:Kbdank71]] is merging all the articles back into one cat called Animal rights. I would like to retain both categories, and so I'm bringing it here for review because I'm not sure where else to go with it. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 15:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-:The CfD discussion is  [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion&oldid=76589970#Category:Animal_liberation_movement_.E2.86.92_Category:Animal_rights here].
-*'''Undelete''' [[:Category:Animal liberation movement]]. [[User:SlimVirgin|SlimVirgin]] <sup><font color="Purple">[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</font></sup> 15:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Note from closing admin''':  I determined this to be a merge consensus.  I have no opinion personally if it should stay or merge.  --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 15:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Undelete'''. · [[User_talk:XP|<font color="#0518A7">'''XP'''</font>]] · 16:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Undelete'''. Seems reasonable. [[User:Themindset|Themindset]] 16:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Undelete''' [[User:Sarah_Ewart|Sarah Ewart]] ([[User talk:Sarah_Ewart|Talk]]) 19:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Undelete''', I  don't think the original CFD was sufficiently well advertised. Messages were not places on wikiproject animal rights, the animal rights or animal liberation movement articles. It was only when other pages I was watching had their categories changed that I knew anything about the CfD. Hence the CfD only attracted a few respondents which did not generate a good consensus. I think this is often a problem with CfD discussion, as category pages tend to have a only a few people who have edited the pages and hence only a few have them on their watchlists.
-:The [[:Category:Animal right]] cat is pretty full and seems a good candidant for sub categororising. I'd like to see a wider discussion on how this should be done. My personal oppinion is that there animal liberation has distinct difference to animal rights. Animal liberation involves activly ''liberating'' animals and often involves [[Direct action]] techniques, animal rights is a not as radical an agenda. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]) 23:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''' - there has indeed been a lot of confusion about this, mainly thanks to [[User:SlimVirgin]]. I proposed this category for either renaming or for it to become a subcategory of a more all-encompassing [[:Category:Animal rights]]. While this CFD discussion was in process, SlimVirgin arbitrarily decided to pre-empt the discussion by creating a separate animal rights category. Almost everyone who voted after that point voted for a merging of the old category into her new category - hence Kbdank71's perfectly logical closing of the discussion and merging of the two categories. SlimVirgin was notified of the proposed changes at a very early stage and - despite being a member of the WikiProject in question - seems to have done nothing to notify other members of the WikiProject in order to garner more discussion. She also has several times accused me of doing things relating to this category which a quick check of the history of it and my contribs would make it clear I have not done - something which I am getting thoroughly sick of. As to the category itself, I agree with Salix alba that, while some form of subcategorisation is a good idea, this may not necessarily be the best way to split the main category, and as such, further discussion should take place before undeletion is agreed to. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Undelete''', of course. In my view this is bordering on process fetishism. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 22:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Keep deleted''' The distinction is arbitary and needlessly emotive. In any case this page has no jurisdiction over categories. [[User:Twittenham|Twittenham]] 22:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
-**This page reviews all deletions, however they were made, including CfD. --[[User:Samuel Blanning|Sam Blanning]]<sup>[[User talk:Samuel Blanning|(talk)]]</sup> 16:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)