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Clarice Phelps

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De-prodded. Not close to passing NPROF or GNG. The "2017 YWCA Knoxville Tribute to Women in the Women technology, research, and innovation category" is not a significant award. Sources in the article do not establish notability: (numbering per this version)

ref1+ref13(duplicate) - knoxnews - local source. Single paragraph on her.

ref2 - tnstate alumni newspaper - contains only "Clarice E. Phelps, 2003" - possibly a WP:BLPPRIMARY issue (as one can not be sure this is the same Phelps).

ref3 - tnstate 2003 commencement notice - same issue as ref2.

ref4 - utsports - again a local source. Single line on Phelps.

ref5 - tennesseeaquaticproject - contains only "Clarice Salone, (MLK) Tennessee State University, U.S. Navy Officer" - again - a misuse of a PRIMARYish source for a BLP - we can't know this is the same individual.

ref6 - nuclear.engr.utexas.edu - ditto - single line where a Clarice Phelps is listed as a MS student - no way to ascertain this is the same Phelps.

ref7 - alumnius.net listing - probably self-published, and not in-depth regardless.

ref8 - www.navysite.de - probably self-published - and a single line regardless.

ref9+ref10 (duplicate) - ORNL - not terribly in-depth bio/profile at her employer ORNL. Not independent.

ref11 - her name as a co-author on a conference poster.

ref12 - ORNL - her employer - brief PR release - single paragraph on Phelps following her 2017 Knoxville YWCA Tribute Award.

So - while we do have a bit of a WP:REFBOMB (including two duplicates) - none of the references in the article establish notability. Some are misuse of PRIMARYish references for a BLP. In my BEFORE I was unable to find anything significant on this Phelps (the google-book hits are all for different people with this name with the possible exception of a namedrop in a long thank-you list in the acknowledgements of a 2017 book). Icewhiz (talk) 07:18, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 07:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – for me she gets over the notability bar, specifically:

Her employer (ORNL) is the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. where she is a project manager and researcher.
This ORNL write-up does not appear to be a source currently in the article, but it's in-depth and has a short video: [1] (the ORNL cites currently are [2] and [3])
I think we can know she is the same person as Clarice Salone because that's what her ORCID says [4]
A few Goggle Scholar hits [5] [6] [7] [8] ^Leviv_ich 08:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Levivich: - authoring a few papers is not sufficient for NPROF (nor is being a project manager and researcher at ORNL). None of the other sources you presented are independent, in-depth, secondary sources (notably - her employer is not an independent source) - and thus do not establish WP:GNG. Please cite a specific notability guideline or policy she meets. Icewhiz (talk) 08:22, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer - please note WP:CANVASSing on twitter - [9] for this AfD.Icewhiz (talk) 08:55, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The nomination is based on the idea of notability but that is not a policy while WP:ATD, WP:IAR, WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE are four separate policies which all indicate that we should not be deleting this page. To consider the overall effect on the encyclopedia, consider an article which currently appears on the front page: Edward Stanley, who is lauded for his short playing career in which he "scored no runs, and took no catches or wickets". That's an entertaining short piece and I was especially impressed by the fine mustache sported by the subject. The article in question is somewhat different but is a worthy addition to the encyclopedia in other ways. To delete one but not the other would be systemic bias and we're better off keeping them both. Andrew D. (talk) 09:50, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:V and WP:NPOV are policy - and can not be met here given the lack of indpendent reliable sources, which is also a BLP concerb. WP:NOTSOAP is policy as well - the only bio possible here (a very brief one) is based on PRNL PR.Icewhiz (talk) 11:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 * '''Note to closer''' - please note [[WP:CANVASS]]ing on twitter - [https://twitter.com/jesswade/status/1092340411664867328] for this AfD.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 08:55, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * '''Keep''' The nomination is based on the idea of [[WP:N|notability]] but that is not a policy while [[WP:ATD]], [[WP:IAR]], [[WP:NOTPAPER]] and [[WP:PRESERVE]] are four separate policies which all indicate that we should not be deleting this page.  To consider the overall effect on the encyclopedia, consider an article which currently appears on the front page: [[Edward Stanley (cricketer)|Edward Stanley]], who is lauded for his short playing career in which he "''scored no runs, and took no catches or wickets''".  That's an entertaining short piece and I was especially impressed by the fine mustache sported by the subject.  The article in question is somewhat different but is a worthy addition to the encyclopedia in other ways.  To delete one but not the other would be [[systemic bias]] and we're better off keeping them both.  [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 09:50, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
+*: [[WP:V]] and [[WP:NPOV]] are policy - and can not be met here given the lack of indpendent reliable sources, which is also a BLP concerb. [[WP:NOTSOAP]] is policy as well - the only bio possible here (a very brief one) is based on PRNL PR.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 11:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)