Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, default to keep. Merge possibilities can be discussed at the page. Wizardman 20:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku

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Fails WP:MUSIC, unnotable song. Notability of the anime series it is used as an ending theme for is not inherited. Failed PROD. -- [[::User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[::User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 18:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- -- [[::User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[::User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 19:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to Field of View. A redirect to the group or other appropriate target is the normal dispostion for songs under WP:MUSIC, and it seems likely to me that a reasonable number of those searching for this song will be doing so after discovering the anime, so mention of it is appropriate in the band's article. Actually, if this weren't at AfD I'd do a merge/redirect now. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 21:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Field of View, song fails WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 00:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Strong keep - it does not fail WP:MUSIC, because it has been performed by at least 2 notable artists, namely, Field of View and the more popular Zard. Also, it appears that the nominator has not done her research - the song is used as an opening theme, not an ending theme, for one of the most popular anime series worldwide of all time - Dragon Ball (GT). This further solidifies its notability. In addition, the song has been translated to many languages; I can't give a precise figure, but I'd guess at least 20 languages. The song was also released as a single by Field of View. Moreover, even if it somehow failed WP:MUSIC, WP:MUSIC is non-binding and common sense overrides it. I think the above points are enough to assert its notability. -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Another thing - this is one of those cases where the song is much more notable than the artist, so if anything, merging it into the artist's article would be a strange course of action. And by the way, although these are not indications of notability, there are 2 more arguments: one, the search "Dan dan kokoro" produced almost 30,000 hits on Google, and two, other Dragon Ball opening themes have articles which aren't being AfD'd by AnmaFinotera, like Cha-La Head-Cha-La and We Gotta Power -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

• Note: I have notified 2 users who contributed to this article of the debate - AnmaFinotera also notified the user Hatto, thinking he created the article (although he did not).Ynhockey ^(Talk) 08:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

A few notes. I didn't notice, Twinkle did. That's who it read as the article creator. For the other Dragon Ball openings, I hadn't gotten to them yet as I'm on clean of GT first. Tackling the entire Dragon Ball series at once would be insane. However, since you pointed them out, I will AfD them since I am guessing by your noting them you will deprod them as you did this one (and interesting you didn't note the two other Dragon Ball themes for the series that I did put up for deletion)? Finally, it does fail WP:MUSIC. The series is a theme (and it was used as the ending for the last episode, so only partially wrong). There is no notability. 30,000 come download a copyright infringing copy of the song, or here are copyrighted lyrics, and here are a bunch of unreliable sources is not a sign of notability. Xymmax, now you see why I did the AfD route :-P -- [[::User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[::User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 13:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, you got me there :) Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 13:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

• • (EC) Comment: Is the song really more popular than the group? This is an honest question, I don't know the answer. I can't find any evidence that the song charted or anything, although my Japanese is weak. If it has, obviously a better case could be made for its notability. I also considered that the song had been covered by Zard (if covered is the right term since she wrote it). In the end, I just wasn't convinced that the two recording alone made it notable, especially since the second one was by the song's author. I considered the merge targets quite a bit, as Zard certainly is far more popular. In the end I suggested Field of View because they first recorded the song. I wouldn't really have any heartburn with merging to Zard, but perhaps Izumi Sakai would be even better, since she wrote the song in her individual capacity separate from her band. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 13:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

What about the fact that it was translated into many languages? This is an important notability gauge for novels, so why not songs? -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Nothing in WP:MUSIC gives it such an exception, and really I can't see why that would. Songs are short, so they are often translated into other languages (unlike novels). Fans translate nearly every song from anime series all the time. -- [[::User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[::User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 15:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not sure where you see in Wikipedia:Notability (books) that novels that have been translated in several languages are presumed to be notable. But clearly, translation is not a factor in a songs notability. --Farix (Talk) 17:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete or Redirect to Field of View. The song clearly fails WP:MUSIC. And from my understanding, it has to be performed independently by several notable artists, bands, or groups before it can be presumed notable. The performance by Zard is neither independent nor does it constitute several. --Farix (Talk) 17:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep notable single by a notable pop act used in several contexts and covered by another group. Ford MF (talk) 22:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - High profile single for a highly notable anime series, performed by 2 different artists, translated into various languages. Article could/should be expanded about these rather than deleted. Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 17:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

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