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Israeli humanitarian aid to Gaza

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This article is in breach of WP:NPOV and is perhaps one of the most extreme examples of WP:BIAS I've encountered in over 15 years of editing (including editing in areas related to The Troubles in Northern Ireland!) It attempts to paint one side in the conflict as donors of humanitarian aid, and the recipients as probable terrorists and criminals. No attempt at WP:BALANCE has been made.

Examples:

  • Mention of 1,400 Israelis massacred; absolutely no mention of the 29,000 (at time of writing) Palestinian civilians massacred.
  • Uncritical presentation of statistics. Since the start of the war "9066 trucks of supplies entered Gaza" sounds impressive. But it's only 85 trucks a day, for an area with a population of >590,000. One truck per 6,900 people!
  • No mention of who was actually supplying the aid, the implication it's Israel. It isn't, in the vast majority of cases, it's aid organisations.
  • Absolutely no mention of the fact that much of Gaza, including hospitals and clinics, has been left without fuel, food and water, all widely covered in Western media.
  • The article starts in 2005, but does not mention the blockade of Gaza, the prohibition on importing goods such as shampoo, paper, chocolate, etc, that was ongoing until at least 2010.

In short, the article is incredibly one-sided and beyond saving in it's current form. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:40, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article touches on an extremely important topic that has not yet been presented in the English Wikipedia. I don't see how the arguments they put forward for deletion are relevant. Yes, the article is in its infancy and materials are missing here. The right way to solve this is as always in Wikipedia - to expand the article, bring additional positions and opinions, and promote the article as a community.
Regarding the claims by Bastun:
  1. The 1400 dead were mentioned in a certain context and not in the context of the statistics on the war.
  2. The entry of the trucks began long after the start of the war, therefore your statistics are incorrect. In addition - these days Israel is helping a nation that is currently holding 133 hostages. There are Israelis who claim that 85 trucks a day without receiving compensation is a violation of the Israeli hostages.
  3. Bastun right, it's worth adding
  4. I'm not sure how relevant this is to this particular article.
  5. I can add, I don't see this as a figure that affects the desire to delete the article.
Eladkarmel (talk) 13:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment to closing admin that Eladkarmel is the page creator. Jebiguess (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page creator is certainly allowed to have and express an opinion in AFDs. It's even encouraged to leave them notices about AfDs so these opinions are built into practice and policy! gidonb (talk) 18:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agreed. A pretty disreputable combo of POV and proseline. Resolving the glaring imbalance issues here would undoubtedly require more effort than was put into the slapdash medley of one-sided content that currently exists. As Bastun also notes, most of the stuff headed into Gaza either from Israel or elsewhere is not "Israeli", so not even the title works. Humanitarian aid in Gaza could certainly be a viable topic, but this is not that; this appears to be some sort of attempt to gloss Israel as a benevolent provider of aid (ironically at a time when it is anything but, and is in fact a prevaricator of aid). A time-wasting POV creation to which WP:TNT and a stern trouting very much applies. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A mishmash of sourcing attempting to gloss over the war and make it seem like Israel's role in the war is solely as a benevolent provider of aid to Palestinians instead of an active combatant that has directly and indirectly killed 29,000 people. Israel-Palestine topics are contentious, but this is a perfect example of a biased interpretation of random facts in the name of Israeli propaganda. Jebiguess (talk) 23:14, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:AGF, refrain from claiming that actions here are "in the name of Israeli propaganda", Arbcom's I-P measures apply here. JM (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise, I have no objection to this option. Just the article on the Gaza Strip is in my eyes the best option. I would prefer a merger into International aid to Palestinians over a keep or a delete. gidonb (talk) 13:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • strong delete. Specifically opposed to merging into another article for the following reasons:
  1. Assisting in transferring donations is not aid, after all, Israel controls the banking system.
  2. Donations from international organizations is not aid from Israel.
  3. The 'transfer' (as described in the lead) of products, admission of patients into hospitals, and employing people is not aid. The notion that 'transfer' of products is aid is particularly glaring, as Israel requires that it clear all imports. For much of the period discussed here, no imports were allowed through Rafah crossing, the only crossing not entirely controlled by Israel.
  4. The metrics reported here are not given context. During much of the period discussed in this article, exports and imports were severely restricted. As noted by other editors, the effort required to fix this far outweighs the information added here. "daily influx of 4,000 tons of gravel, 3,000 tons of cement, and 400 tons of steel bars" is mentioned, but how much was needed to facilitate reconstruction in accordance with the plan (I believe during this period the import of construction material was far below what had been planned)? And anyway, this is about how much Gaza *received*, not about how much was given by Israel. "Approximately 92% of medical aid requests by Gazan civilians from Israel were granted" checking the report this is actually just for the month of December (incorrectly sourced) and out of a total of around 1000 applications, no context is given on the criteria or why there aren't more applications despite the obvious need.
  5. A lot of the statements are very vague, for example "Gas for domestic use was supplied according to Palestinian demand" and "Shipments of food and supplies from Israel to Gaza were carried out six days a week during that time period"
  6. Obviously, permitting imports is not aid, but this article suggests that it is (at the very least a breach of SYNTH).
  7. UNDUE weight on actions of palestinian individuals and groups, for example: "However, Western intelligence revealed that Hamas diverted funds for their own use, despite the intended purpose of aiding Gazan civilians". This could be informative but no details or contextualization is given.
  8. The discussion on the current war is mostly UNDUE and glaringly a breach of NPOV and BIAS, with no attempt at BALANCE. The points above also apply to this section (eg aid from other organizations is not aid from Israel).
Overall, a very low quality article requiring much more work to fix or merge than is worth given the quantity of valuable information. I agree an explanation of Israeli aid to Gaza could be relevant if not already somewhere on wikipedia, but more likely as a subsection in another article, and it should be presented in a contextualized and informative way rather than as a SYNTHed collection of snippets from the internet. DMH43 (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete The article does not mention that Israel has been imposing a blockade of the Gaza Strip for a long time. And assisting and allowing in transferring a small selected portion of the total international donations is not Israeli aid to Gaza. Israel bars most of the international humanitarian aid to Gaza, e.g. Israel regularly bars Iranian humanitarian aid for Gaza.Crampcomes (talk) 11:38, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eladkarmel. JM (talk) 00:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless can be entirely rewritten, wholly biased. Alextejthompson (Ping me or leave a message on my talk page) 18:39, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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