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* '''Delete''': Good grief. [[WP:SYNTH]] coupled with [[WP:OR]]. I'm especially unimpressed with the equating of the symbol on [[:File:Jaipur 03-2016 38 Garh Ganesh Temple.jpg]] with the Nazi use of the Swastika, whcih it is not. This is trying to force the uneducated reader to a conclusion that cannot be drawn. There is something very [[WP:POINT]]Y about this article. [[WP:NOTFORUM]] applies, with consideration of warning the creating editor and any who push this bizarre faux-argument as to their rights and responsibilities on Wikipedia [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]] 17:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC) <!--VCB Timtrent-->
* '''Delete''': Good grief. [[WP:SYNTH]] coupled with [[WP:OR]]. I'm especially unimpressed with the equating of the symbol on [[:File:Jaipur 03-2016 38 Garh Ganesh Temple.jpg]] with the Nazi use of the Swastika, whcih it is not. This is trying to force the uneducated reader to a conclusion that cannot be drawn. There is something very [[WP:POINT]]Y about this article. [[WP:NOTFORUM]] applies, with consideration of warning the creating editor and any who push this bizarre faux-argument as to their rights and responsibilities on Wikipedia [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]] 17:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC) <!--VCB Timtrent-->
*'''Comment'''-The author claims to have expanded the article, though I find all the same issues still in the article. Further, new problematic sources have been introduced in an attempt to inflate the article. Sources like [https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532 Haaretz], which is an opinion piece and thus not WP:RS, have been used as the basis for multiple paragraphs as well as an entire section. Article is still entirely without merit. [[User:CapnJackSp|Captain Jack Sparrow]] ([[User talk:CapnJackSp|talk]]) 17:57, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''-The author claims to have expanded the article, though I find all the same issues still in the article. Further, new problematic sources have been introduced in an attempt to inflate the article. Sources like [https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/hitlers-hindus-indias-nazi-loving-nationalists-on-the-rise-1.5628532 Haaretz], which is an opinion piece and thus not WP:RS, have been used as the basis for multiple paragraphs as well as an entire section. Article is still entirely without merit. [[User:CapnJackSp|Captain Jack Sparrow]] ([[User talk:CapnJackSp|talk]]) 17:57, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Noting''' Large content removal during AfD. Should probably compare versions before deciding on deletion, though it looks like removal of SYNTH and OR. --<b>[[User:Deepfriedokra|<span style="color:black">Deep</span><span style="color:red">fried</span><span style="color:DarkOrange">okra</span>]] [[User talk:Deepfriedokra|(<span style="color:black">talk</span>)]]</b> 18:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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Neo-Nazism in India

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WP:POINTY stub created in order to avenge the deletion of Category:Neo-Nazism in India.[1]

A WP:POVFORK of Neo-Nazism#India, there is nothing in the article which describe any foundation of "Neo-Nazism" in India. While it is possible that Neo-Nazim might have inspired some elements in Indian political discourse, just like it did all over the world, there is still no evidence that the ideology on its own exist in India.

A good example is that there is no Neo-Nazism in Japan and Neo-Nazism in Italy, even after Emperial Japan and Fascist Italy being allies with Nazi Germany during WW2. Wareon (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Venkat TL (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge (was Delete) For the same reason I moved and redirected the content of Neo-Nazism in Costa Rica to Neo-Nazism: It seems it is a fringe topic in both countries that from time to time arise due to news about a handful of individuals, and that can be covered as a section in the article with the biggest scope. --Roqz (talk) 17:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Roqz, you are !voting for delete and arguing for merge. Venkat TL (talk) 17:19, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, by reading the thread I assumed that the content was copied from Neo-Nazism and elsewhere to Neo-Nazism in India so we won't lose any content, but you are right, if any, the new content can be merged back to Neo-Nazism. My point is that a standalone article is not needed, a section in Neo-Nazism is fine. Updated my vote. --Roqz (talk) 17:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Roqz According to WP:SIZERULE, articles with size > 100KB should be split into WP:CFORKS. Neo-Nazism is already at 178KB Well beyond the limit. The suggestion to merge it back is absurd. Venkat TL (talk) 21:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL: If the problem is the Neo-Nazi article being bloated, wouldn't the most logical thing to do be turning a large section within the bloated article into a new article and replacing said section with a short, non-detailed summary? Instead, you pick one of the smallest, non-neutral sections from the bloated article, turn it into a new article, and then proceed to fill the new article with a generic definition, one-sided narratives and information about a vaguely related person; and mention a non-contentious film with a contentious title. Rockcodder (talk) 04:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No. Nothing is undeserved there. See WP:CENSOR Venkat TL (talk) 04:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I never said anything about anything there being undeserved. Please don't put words in my mouth. All I meant by 'non-neutral section' was the fact that Neo-Nazism#India represents the claim of Hindu nationalists having ties with "the totalitarian regimes" as fact but fails to clearly mention that there are reliable sources and experts who say/claim that Hindutva cannot be placed under the genus of fascism/nazism. Rockcodder (talk) 06:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The lead consists of a generic definition of Neo-Nazism, a direct lift from the 'India' section of the Neo-Nazism article and a small paragraph that presents a one-sided narrative about Hindutva and Modi. The 'People' section talks about Savitri Devi, who wasn't an Indian citizen. Her conversion to Hindusim and involvement in espionage against the Allies in India doesn't change this fact. The section then talks about a few 8chan trolls who identify as 'trads' (a fringe group within the Indian rightwing). The 'Incidents' section talks about school textbooks from Gujarat but doesn't mention the state education department's claim that the problems arose due to poor translation of the book from Gujarati into English.[1] The section then mentions a one-off incident about a pool parlour named Hitler's Den. Like Captain Jack Sparrow said above, mere admiration does not make you a Neo-Nazi. The section then mentions the Bulli Bai incident and calls its perpetrators a 'neo-Nazi-inspired alt-right group' based on a dubious claim from a Vice article. The 'Media' section mentions a movie named Dear Friend Hitler/Gandhi to Hitler which is based on the letters written by Gandhi where he addresses Hitler as 'dear friend'. Time to add Gandhi to the 'People' section? Rockcodder (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4711475.stm
  • Delete My issue is the article doesn't actually seem to describe neo-nazism in India.RKT7789 (talk) 07:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete While the article is greatly expanded since some of the people above !voted delete, is still has similar problems: it describes many aspects associated with nazism in India, but they're either from an era before 'neo'-nazism became a thing (WW2), or it's about political groups that find inspiration in neo-nazism, but aren't neonazis themselves. Given the high risk of disruption in this topic area, I don't think a rewrite is desirable if at all possible. Femke (talk) 14:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Femkemilene, thanks for noting the improvement. Would a rename to Nazism in India satisfy you? There is a lot of material from post WW2, yet to be added here. I will add in coming days. Venkat TL (talk) 15:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the overlap with Hindutva would be too large. With broad controversial articles, I would like to see very good reasons for articles with a lot of overlap to co-exist. It's difficult to maintain. Femke (talk) 15:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Femkemilene, if there is a lot of overlap, users will then merge the two articles. Nazism is one the prime characteristic of Hindutva. Right now Hindutva stands at 105KB already crossed the WP:SIZERULE of 100KB. So this is another reason this can co-exist with Hindutva. Neo-Nazism in India fills a specific void. There is a fast growing Neo Nazi base in India. Admiration for Nazism – often reframed with a genocidal hatred for Muslims – is rampant in the Hindu nationalist camp, which has never been as mainstream as it is now Haaretz Venkat TL (talk) 15:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I may be able to be convinced if you find a high-quality source (so not an opinion piece) that clearly delineates the topics. I don't see that yet. Femke (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok. (I forgot to add in my last comment above that) this article as it stands contains enough unique content to merit its existence as a standalone article beside Nazism and others. Venkat TL (talk) 15:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sources do not say anything like "There is a fast growing Neo Nazi base in India," but relies on false balances in making the comparison with Nazism and the ideologies in India. You would also want to include Arvind Kejriwal to this article[2] since you are so eager to promote trad-trolls as neo-nazis in India. 182.77.126.52 (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Good grief. WP:SYNTH coupled with WP:OR. I'm especially unimpressed with the equating of the symbol on File:Jaipur 03-2016 38 Garh Ganesh Temple.jpg with the Nazi use of the Swastika, whcih it is not. This is trying to force the uneducated reader to a conclusion that cannot be drawn. There is something very WP:POINTY about this article. WP:NOTFORUM applies, with consideration of warning the creating editor and any who push this bizarre faux-argument as to their rights and responsibilities on Wikipedia FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 17:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment-The author claims to have expanded the article, though I find all the same issues still in the article. Further, new problematic sources have been introduced in an attempt to inflate the article. Sources like Haaretz, which is an opinion piece and thus not WP:RS, have been used as the basis for multiple paragraphs as well as an entire section. Article is still entirely without merit. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 17:57, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noting Large content removal during AfD. Should probably compare versions before deciding on deletion, though it looks like removal of SYNTH and OR. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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