Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard

User:GabrielF/ConspiracyNoticeboard

Violation of user space, Votestacking

Violation of user space, Votestacking:

As Jimbo Wales himself opined : "Using userpages to attack people or campaign for or against anything or anyone is a bad idea." What can I not have on my userpage

I am taking the liberty of reposting Derex's succint thoughts regarding this possible misuse of a user page / space. In light of the upcoming Nov 7 elections, and the risk that it could be used in an effort to affect actual votes, or Wiki user's free access to information, I also respectfully ask that it be "Speedy Deleted".

"The Conspiracy Noticeboard has been serving as a de facto noticeboard for people proposing and following AFD's on a particular topic: 9/11. To an extent has begun to broaden its focus into politically related articles in general, serving as an AFD conservative noticeboard. Among several recent examples, the Yellowcake forgery nomination was listed there as it went on AFD. This sort of private noticeboard strikes me as quite counter to the ideal collaborative and neutral spirit of AFD. I doubt, for example, that we would permit a WP:AFD noticeboard on topic X. Isn't that what AFD itself is for? So, I personally take issue with a user-space page which is serving the same role of co-ordinating editors with a particular outlook. There seems to be quite a lot of pre-discussion among editors watching that page, almost all of it off the relevant article talk pages. An unwiki lack of transparency, in my opinion."

I couldn't have said it better myself. Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC) (ex NBGPWS)

• Keep as previously kept in an MfD under a different name, and now even less possibly considered POV. Note that the (partial) nominator, as NBGPWS, was adding AfD's not related to conspiracy theories, (some not even started) to the list. If he cannot use the list properly, it may show he does not know what a proper list might be. It should also be noted that many projects keep AfD lists related to that project; I see no reason why an individual cannot keep AfD lists related to a topic, as long as any AfD related to that topic may be included. speedy reject Speedy Delete, if I see it appear, for the reasons given in my Keep !vote. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 08:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

What's ironic is that numerous members of the Conspiracy Noticeboard commented on, and voted to delete the article which you mention. The same article which they objected to me posting - which they said was of no interest to them - and out of place on the board - with one editor commenting at length several times. Odd, huh? The Byron Insert Deletion Discussion Fairness And Accuracy For All 08:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

should also be noted that many projects keep AfD lists related to that project I would be interested in a list User_talk:Arthur_Rubin. What article are you two talking about? Please remember that most editors have not been involved in these arguments that you have. If what Fairness/NBGPWS is saying is true, then this statment: I see no reason why an individual cannot keep AfD lists related to a topic, as long as any AfD related to that topic may be included. is false. Travb (talk) 11:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

NBGPWS added deletion requests for Clinton Chronicles, which was removed, but was then reinserted and I retagged with NBGPWS's signature (all during his block), and The Byron Insert, which is clearly off-topic. He did repeatedly reinsert both, which I'll put down to unfamilarity with Wikipedia guidelines. Puns on "insertion" are entirely NBGPWS's fault for inserting the AfD on The Byron Insert. WikiProjects I'm familiar with which attempt to keep lists of project-related deletions include Mathematics and Numbers. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

There is also Guantanamo Prisoners, and I know a general one for videogame based AfD's, I can dig up the project if needed. --NuclearZer0 14:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete As per Fairness And Accuracy For All/NBGPWS. Many well researched articles have been deleted or been voted for deletion by those with strong political or ideological biases. See: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Clinton_Chronicles I believe the absolute worst abuse of wikipolicy are those editors who push their own POV by deleting articles whose POV they disagree with. No matter what a persons political perusasion, and the political slant of the article, this should not be allowed to continue on wikipedia. I comment more about this here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Politically motivated AfD's: the elephant in the room. Dispite NBGPWS own AfD's, he has some excellent points. This votestacking article should be deleted. Travb (talk) 11:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

  Note this user voted in the same manner as many of the user who watch this noticeboard, on the Clinton Chronicles AfD, which was keep, however not all voted in tandem, Crockspot, Strothra and Edison all voted merge or delete and only 3 other participants voted keep, pretty even split. Further Derex, the author of the MfD justification also voted keep on that article, so I am quite confused as to the point of bringing it up, especially when its shows the non-bias of the group, 3 voting keep, 1 merge, and 2 delete, technically more supporting it being kept then voting for deletion. --NuclearZer0 19:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The nominator has been blocked just last week over vandalizing the board he is now attempting to get deleted, you can see his block log under User:NBGPWS the specific block is at: [1], he has been told so far by another admin that the page is permissable as all AfD groups that cover a specific area, cartoons, war articles, Guantanamo Bay prisoners etc. --NuclearZer0 11:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Nominator has a history of blocks relating to this board and vandalism, as pointed out above please see User:NBGPWS, I guess when you cannot vandalize it anymore you look for someone to delete it instead. This is clearly a WP:POINT violation as the paragraph listed above doesn't point to a rationale and the user has been told the noticeboard acts as all noticeboards related to a small group of articles, such as conspiracy based ones. --NuclearZer0 11:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per myself (quoted at top). If we would accept a wiki-space article like this, then this ought to be deleted and re-created there, where it's public. If we wouldn't accept such, then this ought to be deleted. Either way it should go. Derex 12:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Looks like people on both sides wanting articles to stay or go based on whether they believe the goverment's official coverups for their conspiracies. Anomo 12:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Doesn't single out individual editors and is merely a list of articles related to conspiracy theories and theorists, most of whom listed are not notable anyway. It's in userspace anyway...so no harm no foul.--MONGO 12:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete simply because it is in one person's userspace. Noticeboards are very dangerous things, and need community oversight to ensure that they are being used fairly. By definition, this can't. --InShaneee 14:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Would you be ok with this if it was moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting? --NuclearZer0 15:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Bad faith nom. Nom was blocked for a month under User:NBGPWS for vandalism of this page, and steadfast refusal to stop. MONGO lessened his block to 48 hours under the assumption that he would cool it and stop harassing the noticeboard and its users. Beyond this, anyone can list a conspiracy article on the noticeboard, as evidenced by the nom himself. [2] Those who use the board are not guaranteed to argue for or against deletion, and there is no political bias on the board except against cruft. Its founder is a Democrat. I myself use the board heavily and I'm quite liberal. I can personally say I've voted "Keep" on several articles put on the noticeboard, for reasons such as article improvement during the AfD process, articles being nominated too soon after a previous keep, and many others. Nom's campaign against what he believes is a "conservative deletionist squad" borders on wikistalking, and though he's gone through proper channels this time this is not votestacking.--Rosicrucian 15:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment You're one of the editors who voted on The Byron Insert AfD. If it was compelling enough that you and several others board members voted in and commented on this AfD at length, I can't fathom how you would continie to call my actions of bringing the AfD to the board 'vandalism'. It was an appropriate AfD for inclusion on the board for you, or you would't have voted on it. This was perhaps a violation of WP:POINT, but the actions of the board showed that the board operates like a 'private club' banning participation of people with whom they may not agree, or like. Fairness And Accuracy For All 19:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

  Just so its clear, "deletionist hit squad" was an actual term used to describe the noticeboard participants by the nominator: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] --NuclearZer0 15:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or move to Wikipedia space. Catchpole 15:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Move to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Conspiracy Theories or something similar. *Sparkhead 15:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• keep per Author Rubin and Rosicrucian. Sparkhead's suggested move makes sense as well. JoshuaZ 16:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Just to be transparent, I have made a copy of the page at User:NuclearUmpf/Temp where it will be moved to Wikipedia space if a delete vote goes through and adapted to meet Sparkheads suggestion. --NuclearZer0 16:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Rosicrucian. Alphachimp 16:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - Bad faith nomination that smacks of a personal attack against a number of editors, myself included. As pointed out above, I vote in lockstep with no one, and have opposed many of my alleged "cabal mates" on a couple of AfDs. This is handwringing run amok. - Crockspot 16:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep clearly a bad faith nomination when someone uses a rational such as this “In light of the upcoming Nov 7 elections, and the risk that it could be used in an effort to affect actual votes,” Brimba 16:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
• Do any of you voting keep have an issue with it being moved into wikispace? It seems that would cover all the bases as similar pages already exist. *Sparkhead 16:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'd require a more thorough explaination on what would be required of it if it were to migrate to wikispace. While the deletion sorting page seems like a likely candidate, its format also seems radically different. Perhaps you could explain further your proposal?--Rosicrucian 17:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)