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Over at [[Talk:Israel]] there is a discussion about replacing the section header "Occupied territories" with "disputed territories". I think people can guess where I stand on this, but please go and say what you think..--[[User:Peter cohen|Peter cohen]] ([[User talk:Peter cohen|talk]]) 10:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC) |
Over at [[Talk:Israel]] there is a discussion about replacing the section header "Occupied territories" with "disputed territories". I think people can guess where I stand on this, but please go and say what you think..--[[User:Peter cohen|Peter cohen]] ([[User talk:Peter cohen|talk]]) 10:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land]] and the denial of the exitence of a Palestinian people == |
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Arising out of discussion at the above article, I'm wondering whether we're missing am article on the debate over Palestinian peoplehood. The article linked above focuses largely on the origin of the phrase itselfwith Christian pre-Zionists and the, apparently mistaken, belief that Jewish Zionists regularly used that phrase. However the phrase itself is emblematic of a view shared by Christian restorationists, the shapers of Western policy on the Middle East around w100 years ago who saw Palestine as an exception to the notion of national self-determiantion, Zionist and early Israeli leaders such as David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir, and advocates of a Greater Syria; the shared view being that there was no such thing as a Palestinian people, instead Palestinians were just inhabitants of one part of a historic Syrian province which provided their real national identity. I can't see any discussion of this view linked from [[Palestinian people]]. Is there an article of which I am unaware? Or do people agree that there should be one?--[[User:Peter cohen|Peter cohen]] ([[User talk:Peter cohen|talk]]) 20:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Seems to be a developing dispute on this page. Ceedjee has tagged it for neutrality on the basis that he thinks the title is POV. A very brief discussion of the issues a few months ago resulted in "no consensus". Maybe a few people with some familiarity with this period could take a look? Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 13:46, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think it is important to be familiar with this period.
- My point is that we must follow what wp:rs secondary sources (of academic level) use as title to describe the events.
- I provided numerous of these and given the title has not been moved, I just wanted to use the pov-tag...
- Ceedjee (talk) 18:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Background info and article for 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict
Concerning 2008 Israel–Gaza conflict, a background article for 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict, additional info for it has been retrieved from an AfD for another article. That info needs to be summarized and incorporated into 2008 Israel–Gaza conflict.
Please see:
Help, editing, and additional input and comments are requested. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Since this is such an emotional issue for both sides, I'd like to add this page to the collaboration. The Squicks (talk) 19:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Arabian Peninsula Article
This is the main Wikipedia article for Arabia and the Arabian subcontinent. There has been a continual edit war over the inclusion of historical or geographical material about Syria and Palestine being part of Arabia or Ottoman Arabistan. A Request for comment is currently open on the talk page.harlan (talk) 14:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I've added Israel Shahak, however feel free to revert. PhilKnight (talk) 23:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
massacre
About 1 year ago, we discussed about the issue related to the use of the work massacre and one of the problem was linked with the massacres committed during the 1948 War. At the time, I had started a discussion on the talk page of the article that was never really followed.
I have just made the modifications I suggested and go on working on this. Any comment is welcome.
Ceedjee (talk) 14:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
There are a group of editors who are routinely deleting well-known quotes from Israeli leaders, historians, and material from published historical accounts about the role of the IDF in the path to war. harlan (talk) 05:08, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
User:Okedem is repeatedly reverting edits and removing sourced material, giving as the sole reason the fact that the source is Ilan Pappé, of whom s/he writes "Pappe isn't a source for anything but his own opinions. He is a political activist, and not an vaguely objective scholar". Perhaps other editors can also keep an eye on this. RolandR (talk) 21:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Occupied Territories section in Israel
Over at Talk:Israel there is a discussion about replacing the section header "Occupied territories" with "disputed territories". I think people can guess where I stand on this, but please go and say what you think..--Peter cohen (talk) 10:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
A_land_without_a_people_for_a_people_without_a_land and the denial of the exitence of a Palestinian people
Arising out of discussion at the above article, I'm wondering whether we're missing am article on the debate over Palestinian peoplehood. The article linked above focuses largely on the origin of the phrase itselfwith Christian pre-Zionists and the, apparently mistaken, belief that Jewish Zionists regularly used that phrase. However the phrase itself is emblematic of a view shared by Christian restorationists, the shapers of Western policy on the Middle East around w100 years ago who saw Palestine as an exception to the notion of national self-determiantion, Zionist and early Israeli leaders such as David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir, and advocates of a Greater Syria; the shared view being that there was no such thing as a Palestinian people, instead Palestinians were just inhabitants of one part of a historic Syrian province which provided their real national identity. I can't see any discussion of this view linked from Palestinian people. Is there an article of which I am unaware? Or do people agree that there should be one?--Peter cohen (talk) 20:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)