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Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2015[edit]

I have no idea what other officers who may not have liked Gen Robinett called him, but he was widely known ONLY as Robbie. This should be corrected as it reflects badly on him. As his niece, I know this for a fact. I knew my uncle very well from infancy to his death in 1975.

Choate152 (talk) 22:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Wrong page, see Talk:Paul McDonald Robinett, and that article is not semiprotected Cannolis (talk) 23:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Need help on Selena[edit]

I don't understand the language used in the help page for the error, can anyone help me out? Best, .jonatalk 18:54, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

After some scratching around, I've fixed one of the errors and have edited the help page to mention {{Certification Cite Ref}}. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:05, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

What's changed?[edit]

Why has the number of entries in Category:Pages with missing references list snowballed to over 100? Some of the pages on it, such as Ely_and_Littleport_riots_of_1816, haven't been edited for many months, but they now have a red "Cite error" message at the bottom: Noyster (talk), 10:23, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

This is probably change to {{#tag:ref|...}} see Template talk:Refn#Refn references getting sent to the bottom of the page?. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

DId someone break the template again?[edit]

At Ahmed Zayat, which worked yesterday, I'm now getting the "Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha> tags or {{efn}} templates on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} template or {{notelist}} template (see the help page)." message... Montanabw (talk) 18:52, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

This is because in this edit you added a {{efn}} without making sure that there was also a {{notelist}}. I've fixed it with this edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
I did a {{notes}} the way I have done it for several years... and it worked yesterday... Montanabw(talk) 19:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
There is no {{notes}} in the version where you added that {{efn}}, nor is there any evidence of one being added or removed in subsequent edits until my fix mentioned above. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Aw whoops, I've been going back and forth between that one and American Pharoah (which DID have the same problem but also has {{notes}}, I must have confused the two. Swore is twa there at some point, but maybe I had a brain fart, wouldn't be the first time... Sigh... Montanabw(talk) 03:02, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

References colour[edit]

You can't, for instance, format a reference with <ref style="color:red;">content</ref>, or give it an id. Why is this? For television series where the header row is coloured blue, references are basically invisible against them. Is there a way to colour references black/white? Alex|The|Whovian 16:02, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@AlexTheWhovian: The <ref>...</ref> tags look like HTML, but they aren't - they're a MediaWiki extension, see mw:Extension:Cite. You therefore cannot expect that <ref> would accept global HTML attributes like style=. Wrap it in a suitably-styled <span>...</span> element, as in <span style="background:white;"><ref>...</ref></span> Don't attempt to set color: - links should be left in their "natural" colours, blue for unvisited; purple for visited, etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

CNET reference[edit]

Why is the CNET reference broken and invoked but not defined and can someone please fix it? -- PK2 (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@PK2: I guess you mean on some article. Based on your contributions I guess it's Google Translate but at the time of your edit or before that I could find no cite errors. I then looked at your edits after posting here and found [1] which is broken because no reference has been defined with <ref name="CNET">...</ref>. I fixed that in [2] (diff to broken version). When you ask for help about something, please say where it is in a way that enables others to see the issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter. Is that how you fix the references? -- PK2 (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking. It's how to use a reference more than once by naming it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:09, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Article contains nothing[edit]

The article contains nothing. Please send it to Articles for deletion.Giantnut76 (talk) 11:37, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@Giantnut76: Which article are you referring to? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:01, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Targeted work.[edit]

{{help needed}} Hi Admins/super users, can we exclude all except articles from this Cat, and place the help templates in the Cat blurb, for other backlog Cat's this also may apply as best practice, all old notice boards, draft etc should not be shown here, cheers The Original Filfi (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

@The Original Filfi: Are you referring to Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting? Category talk:Pages with incorrect ref formatting is one of four category talk pages redirecting here. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi @PrimeHunter:, yes (Category talk:Pages with incorrect ref formatting) I have been trying to keep on top of this Cat and occasionally bursts of indiscriminate work elsewhere.The Original Filfi (talk) 23:26, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
If you're looking at namespaces to exclude, you might consider the list under "Notes" in Category:CS1_errors:_arXiv, which we developed for all of the CS1 errors generated by a group of citation templates. It works very well. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:31, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

ThisCite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name defined multiple times with different content[edit]

This error is spawning along many pages after a recent software upgrade, but the related category doesn't seem to catch up with the new issue, is still around 200 pages and doesn't show some pages I've randomly seen, in it-wiki we still have more than 3,000 pages with this error. Is this problem discussed anywhere? Thanks for reply.--Demostene119 (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

That error message doesn't add a tracking category, at least not at the English Wikipedia. Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting is for other errors. The search "name defined multiple times with different content" currently gives 120 results. That's probably far from all of them but you could try searching itwiki for the Italian equivalent if you want to at least find some of the affected articles there. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
I created a feature request in Phabricator for this. It should have been done as part of the creation of the error message, but it was missed, I guess. Jonesey95 (talk) 04:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Some admin just needs to update MediaWiki:Cite error references duplicate key message with {{broken ref}} template:
{{broken ref
|msg=Invalid <code><ref></code> tag; name "$1" defined multiple times with different content
And add subpage for this error (placing subpage name in |help=). --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I have created MediaWiki:Cite error references duplicate key and Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key. Affected pages are now added to Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. In the Italian Wikipedia, it:MediaWiki:Cite error references duplicate key must be created and add pages to it:Categoria:Pagine con errori nell'uso delle note if you want to see them there. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Many tanks, I'll report it in it-wiki.Demostene119 (talk) 13:02, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
@Demostene119: Sorry, it appears I was wrong. The Italian Wikipedia does things differently. it:MediaWiki:Cite error is also displayed for the error and it adds the category (the English MediaWiki:Cite error does not). I think the problem is instead that the link tables for the articles have not been updated since the error message was introduced. Some actions like a purge can rebuild the article itself and add new categories at the bottom without updating the corresponding category pages. A null edit (or any other edit) of the article would also update category pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:54, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks PrimeHunter. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The help link in the error message has stopped displaying. I have posted about it at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Some cynical disruptive editing often gets by the bots and the frontline team, but filters into pages with incorrect formatting so doesn’t really slip through the net for long. However, I’m assuming that a filter has been triggered with the arrival of so many multiple defined reference error pages, which means those disruptive edits will probably now go unchecked.CV9933 (talk) 16:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
It's a recent feature in the software to detect these errors, and the categorization of them was added yesterday with my creation of MediaWiki:Cite error references duplicate key. Thousands of articles which had this problem for a long time are now being added to Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. I guess editors, maybe with bot assistance, will work through this new backlog at some time and bring the category down to a small number again. It would be possible to make a separate tracking category for this specific cite eror but I'm not sure we should do it. Category:Pages with citation errors currently only shows three different categories for cite errors. There are many more types of cite errors than that at [3]. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
It is worth noting, for all who are reading this and care, that it typically takes weeks, or longer, for a new tracking category like this to "fill up" with articles. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Also note that the 24,000-odd articles in this list currently contain a nonsense error message in the reflist. For instance, in 1984 Atlantic hurricane season we see:
Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "TD1" defined multiple times with different content (see ) (see the ).
: Noyster (talk), 08:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
It's not nonsense, it's drawing attention to a problem. There are two refs named TD1, and the first is
<ref name="TD1">{{cite web|url=|title=Tropical Depression Hits Florida Coast|date=June 13, 1984|accessdate=March 6, 2010|publisher=[[Philadelphia Daily News]]}}</ref>
the second is
<ref name="TD1">{{cite web|author=Associated Press|publisher=The Day|date=October 11, 1984|accessdate=January 22, 2010|title=Hurricane Josephine scaring mariners now|url=,2471264&dq=hurricane+josephine+1984&hl=en}}</ref>
- these expand to
respectively, which are clearly different. Either change the ref names, or alter the enclosed ref to be identical. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
If you mean the missing "see" link to Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key make it nonsense then it's caused by a MediaWiki change which went live after my creation of MediaWiki:Cite error references duplicate key. It moved the error message next to the reference but the wikilink was stripped from the message in the new position. Yesterday I contacted the programmer who said he will look into it today. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:19, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, yes I did mean the two empty brackets at the end of the message and hope this can be fixed soon: Noyster (talk), 12:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
The programmer has submitted a patch for the stripped wikilink in phab:T116149.[4] I don't know when it will be live, assuming it's approved. I have removed the first "(see )" which was a test of the issue.[5] Affected pages must be purged to see it's removed. The second "(see the )" could be removed temporarily in {{Broken ref/lang}} by testing whether {{{help}}} equals Cite error references duplicate key, and then restored later when the issue is fixed, but I haven't done that. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
The fix has already been deployed. The error message now displays correctly on purged pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


We are getting questions at the help desk about this error message. Upon fixing one I noted that the natural way to do so, at least for me, is to copy the defined ref name, then use find while editing an article. However, the message places underscores for any spaces in the ref name, so you have to remove them when finding. PrimeHunter suggested a fix for this at the help desk post of adding {{#invoke:String|replace|$1|_| }} Any thoughts on implementing a fix like this?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Some corrections really need to be done manually. If the same reference name has been used for two different citations sometimes you can just change the ref name in one of the instances. However where the abbreviated version of the ref name has also been used, it isn't always easy to figure out which citation the abbreviated name is referring to. here is an example with "ReferenceB", if you see whatI mean. CV9933 (talk) 17:24, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
This should be fixed in mw:Extension:Cite, not here. I've created a Phabricator task for it at phab:T116532. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:29, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

FYI, category change for "Cite error references duplicate key"[edit]

The flood of these "duplicate key" errors is causing problems for AnomieBOT in fixing cite errors it actually can fix, so I am adjusting Template:Broken ref/cat to place this error into Category:Pages with duplicate reference names instead of Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting. Anomie 12:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Anarky and Blue's Clues[edit]

Can anyone figure out why the above two articles are placed in Category:Pages with reference errors? Thanks. DrKay (talk) 19:57, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

@DrKay: Both had a reference defined twice within the list-defined references: one proper definition, and one empty. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Spaces in Refnames...[edit]

In the case of <ref name="abc def">XXX</ref> <ref name="abc def">YYY</ref>

that the error message in the reflist is Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "abc_def" defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

The actual reference name is "abc def", the error message has "abc_def". Is there any way to have the error message corrected so spaces aren't turned into underscores? (See as an actual example.

I think this was filed as a bug on Phabricator. I don't remember where I saw a discussion about it, though. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:22, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Is there any hope of it being fixed? -- Mikeblas (talk) 12:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Hiding broken refs. Does it still make sense ?[edit]

For a long time we have been hiding broken references on talk pages and a few more namespaces. The primary reason for this was that people were often copying fragments into a talk page in order to discuss them, but since there was no <references /> being copied in at the same time, these refs would all throw big ugly red errors and this was confusing, especially for new users. However, for a over a year now, we are automatically adding a references section (T68860). So most of these previously hidden errors would not actually occur anymore. Basically the only errors that are still being hidden, are pasted references that are part of a named group (without a <references /> for that group), or if they are totally different and valid errors. Perhaps it's time to stop hiding these broken refs ? —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 22:05, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Can you please give an example of a talk page where this is happening? – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
To TheDJ and Jonesey95: It's time to either get rid of this template or clearly explain its current use and value. Reading about this template simply left me confused...
Oh, wow: This is Help talk:Cite errors (Redirected from Template talk:Template reference list). I wasn't expecting that. I'm talking about Template:Template reference list. Sorry all I can do is point this out! —--Geekdiva (talk) 11:43, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Xuong Nguyen-Huu[edit]

On Xuong Nguyen-Huu there are no visible reference errors anyone have a reason it is still showing as having a reference error. Haakonsson (talk) 11:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Where is it showing as having a reference error? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
I have encountered this type of issue before. Sometimes you can just refresh the page and the error clears. However,the solution that I found was to enable a purge option in my wikipedia preferences gadget section. It displays a clock in my toolbar and when I click on the clock whilst on the page that is showing the error, the purge clears the issue. There may be other ways to do this but that is the one that worked for me. CV9933 (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
@Haakonsson: You probably had a cached copy from before you made this edit. A WP:BYPASS normally clears those.
@CV9933: That's Preferences → Gadgets → "Add a clock to the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC and provides a link to purge the current page", but if you don't need the clock, enable Preferences → Gadgets → "Add a "Purge" option to the top of the page, which purges the page's cache" instead. But I don't think this was a purge problem. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:04, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
I have to say I don't think its a purge issue either. As I enabled that option which I can see the use of and the article is still showing in the list and the last edit was 3 March 2016. Haakonsson (talk) 19:23, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, misread the original post (I took it as "there are still ref errors showing on the page"). Anyway, a WP:NULLEDIT to Xuong Nguyen-Huu has removed it from the category. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:11, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Missing refs on Conquest of 1760[edit]

Just went through and fixed the refs in this article Conquest of 1760, but they cite two sources by last name only, and I don't see details on those anywhere.

(Also, can someone check my work? It's been a while.)

Knockwood (talk) 11:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Knockwood Welcome back. This problem is the result of other editors copying from external sources and omitting the full reference. If you don't manage to trace the full ref I should restore the "Conway, 143" etc - this will remove the red error messages in the reference list - and add the {{Full citation needed}} template in-line. The other thing is that such queries would belong better on the article's talk page, in this case Talk:Conquest of 1760: Noyster (talk), 12:06, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 June 2016[edit]

An oddity - the triplet "abn" is missing from the list. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Done. DrKay (talk) 18:50, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Strange. See #Protected edit request on 3 January 2018 below and this edit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
DrKay added it to MediaWiki:Cite references link many format backlink labels.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Refs in articles about songs and sports[edit]

I noticed that some of the refs in articles about songs and sports teams are auto generated and i can't for the hell of it make out how, thus i won't touch that. MikeTango (talk) 20:48, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

@MikeTango: Which articles? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:25, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
@Redrose64: i basically started my quest with the list items sorted by date numbers, before A. After discovering that most of those containing standings tables or scores tables were beyond my comprehension, i went on to A. I think the amount of "Al-Quaeda does this or that" edits i did will put me on a no fly list or something. MikeTango (talk) 14:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@MikeTango: No, I mean, which articles do these auto generated refs appear in? Without actual examples I can't investigate. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Sorry, as i said, all of those starting with a number on Category:Pages with duplicate reference names, for example 2013–14_NHL_season (why the hell does the internal linkage to that category not work?) MikeTango (talk) 06:53, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
@MikeTango: At 2013–14 NHL season, the content and references for the "Standings" section come from two templates, Template:2013–14 NHL Western Conference standings and Template:2013–14 NHL Eastern Conference standings. The clash of reference names occurred because the two templates used the same reference name but defined the reference slightly differently. I've resolved the error by changing the name in one of the templates.
@John of Reading:I guess that needs to be done for a lot of templates, then.MikeTango (talk) 18:58, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
To link a category name, place a colon in front of the word "Category" - [[:Category:Pages with duplicate reference names]] displays as Category:Pages with duplicate reference names. There's a bit more about this in the last paragraph at Help:Link#Wikilinks. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:46, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
@MikeTango: Re "as i said, all of those starting with a number on Category:Pages with duplicate reference names" - your post of 06:53, 7 September 2016 was the first time that you used the words "Pages with duplicate reference names". You can also use the {{cl}} template, as in Category:Pages with duplicate reference names. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
@Redrose64: and then i realized this here is not the talk page for Category:Pages with duplicate reference names but for cite errors. Thanks. MikeTango (talk) 18:58, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2016[edit]

I am adding a more accurate photograph of the subject of this Wikipedia page.

Randstyr (talk) 04:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Help:Cite errors. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. — JJMC89(T·C) 07:47, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Template issue[edit]

Is there an issue or related problem with the template {{Large category TOC 2}} here and other places where it is implemented? There seems to be a problem with alphabetical links taking you to the wrong place. For example if I click on pages beginning with Pa, it links to pages beginning with E. CV9933 (talk) 21:47, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

This is the talk page for multiple categories. It looks like you might be talking about Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting, as an example. This is the list of Category Talk pages that link here. I tried all of those category pages, and clicking on "P" or "Pa" takes me to "E". They all use either {{CategoryTOC}} or {{Large category TOC 2}}.
It looks like this same problem is happening in Category:Pages using citations with accessdate and no URL, a completely unrelated category. I don't see any recent changes in the TOC templates' code. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:42, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Possibly related to this VPT thread. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, this problem is happening today because the WMF Community Tech Team is running a maintenance script to update category sorting. Once it's done, the new sorting will sort numbers correctly (99 before 100). The script started on August 29th at 18:00 UTC, and we're expecting it to take 24 hours to run. You can check out Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Sorting in categories unreliable for ~24 hours for more info.
If it helps, I've figured out a temporary workaround -- if you manually edit the URL to say (for example) &pagefrom=T, then it'll show you category entries further down the alphabet. It won't start with T, but the beginning of T should be in the results. Sorry for the current confusing state. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
DannyH (WMF), thanks for the quick explanation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
The templates are now empty. That can't possibly be by design. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:36, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Category sorting is still in progress, expected to be completed sometime during the weekend. Until then, expect strange Category pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Ignores default sort[edit]

Looking at Category:Pages with duplicate reference names, it's easy to see that the category ignores the {{DEFAULTSORT}} magic word that appears on articles included in the listing. (Shouldn't be hard to find an example, but here's one directly: Don Brose). What's wrong with the articles, or the defaultSort template, or the category, or ... something? -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:42, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

The category is added by {{Broken ref/cat}} with {{{sortkey|}}}{{PAGENAME}} as sort key. If the caller (usually another template) doesn't specify a sort key with |sortkey= then the page name is used. I don't know whether it was intentional to override a DEFAULTSORT but it makes the code simpler when there is code for an optional sortkey. I don't see a problem in overriding a DEFAULTSORT by forcing the page name as sort key. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:15, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Looking a little further, sortkey is used to specify a special initial character for other namespaces than mainspace: [7]. This would complicate the coding if mainspace pages have to respect DEFAULTSORT, and it would be impossible to combine the special character with non-mainspace pages respecting DEFAULTSORT in their internal sorting under the character. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Holy cow! Thanks for the awesome analysis, PrimeHunter. This helps me understand just a little more wikiStuff. -- Mikeblas (talk) 16:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2017[edit]

Information on THe Honourable Col. Gordon Sidney Harrington is wrong. He was born and died in Halifax. He was an Anglican. He was married to Katherine Agnes MacDonald. He was Minister of Mines and Public Works (not Labour) although he formed a department of Labour when he was premier. Please ck the page as I tried to edit it and may have disrupted some material. I am Carole MacDonald, author of Historic Glace Bay (Nimbus publishing 2009) and author of a thesis on The Hon.Col. Gordon Sidney Harrington "The Legacy of Gordon Sidney Harrington 1909- 1925" Saint Mary's University 2014 (online) and author upcoming biography of Col. Harrington Carole MacDonald (talk) 17:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Carole MacDonald: Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Help:Cite errors. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Great progress in duplicate ref defs![edit]

Looks like there's been tremendous, sudden progress in the duplicate ref defs list. Was something fixed, or maybe someone ran a bot? -- 16:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

I have been picking away at the list for the past few months, I also think a few additional people might have started working on it as well. --Imminent77 (talk) 16:48, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Awesome. I've been working the E's, after finishing the C's. (Er, or did I do the D's?) Is there a place we should congregate and coordinate? -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Imminent77 and Mikeblas, great! I've been working on the backlog as well. To add some numbers, I resurrected the old CatTrack tool at the beginning of this year, so you can see how the size changed. And I guess you could say someone ran a bot - I've been testing a new tool that makes going through the category a lot easier, called toollabs:yabbr. I've been told it's a bit tricky to use, but it basically parses the page to check for duplicate references and makes only the duplicate references editable. (Sure beats digging through pages of unrelated markup to find the references you want.) Enterprisey (talk!) 02:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Enterprisey I plan on trying out your tool sometime in the very near future to see how it works. I also wanted to ping PaleoNeonate as I know they have done some work in this category in the past and may be interested in your tool. --Imminent77 (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping, it's awesome to know that other editors also worked on it. I felt real lonely after writing Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Citation_cleanup#Pages_with_duplicate_reference_names Face-smile.svg. I did part of C at Category:Pages with duplicate reference names (and of course trying to clean new entries below C when they show up from time to time). It can be boring, so I was recently on a pause from that. I'll try to look at the tool soon. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate - 04:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
@Mikeblas: Is there a place we should congregate and coordinate? The citation cleanup Wikiproject perhaps? Although there also probably are more general backlog related places... —PaleoNeonate - 04:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Pat McMahon played for Ajax FC Chicago 6 years prior to his College soccer career.[edit]

Ryorulmaz (talk) 19:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
The right place for this change is Pat McMahon (soccer, born 1986), not here. Click on Talk at the top of that page to request help with it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:57, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2017[edit] How di I get this ref into the bottom of the list of famous people with dyslexic . I am new to editing Wikiq12wi89o (talk) 12:41, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Help:Cite errors. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. JTP (talkcontribs) 12:47, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Please delete old i18n message over-rides[edit]

Hey there.

The <cite error references invalid parameters group> has been removed from the Cite extension, so you can delete:

(They'll never be called.)

I don't want to delete them from my personal account as it'd be "crossing the streams", and deleting from my staff account seems a bit icky in case someone objects for some reason. :-)

Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 01:23, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Done by User:Jo-Jo Eumerus. – Train2104 (t • c) 03:13, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

{{Efn}} creating empty references[edit]

There's an "empty reference" error showing up at Cedar Glen Apartments. For the life of me, I cannot figure out why. If I use the {{Efn}} template without citations inside it, it works fine. If I use the <ref></ref> without the {{Efn}}, they generate fine. ARGH! Some years ago, if an editor used a <ref></ref> citation format in an {{Efn}} template without having that reference also appear outside the {{Efn}}, it caused problems. But that was resolved a long time ago. Is the problem back? - Tim1965 (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@Tim1965: The problem was caused by the equals sign inside the footnote text; the template parser assumes that everything to the left of the equals is a parameter name. I've fixed it by adding "1=" at the start of the footnote text. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:41, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
I see it now. Thanks!! - Tim1965 (talk) 17:12, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

No name attribute?[edit]

"Tag defined in <references> has no name attribute" what causes this problem and how can it be fixed?épine talk♬ 05:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Épine: If an article uses "List-defined references", each reference defined inside the <references>...</references> must have a name. There's more detail and examples at WP:LDR. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:03, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi @John of Reading: thanks for the reply. I think I did exactly that here. but this error persisted along with some others for some reason that I don't know. I used the
{{references|refs= Example  Example }}
style.épine talk♬ 06:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
@Épine: In that revision, there are unnamed references just after the named references "eja3628" and "iwoq1719". I can't immediately see the cause of the third of these messages. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:32, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
@John of Reading: aren't you referring to the ref name=? Because all of those has that. Now that I look back at the revision I see that in one of them I missed a = which caused one of the problems. is the quotation needed after the ref name=? (E.g. <Ref name="example">....)épine talk♬ 15:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
@Épine: There are a couple of references there with no name at all. Just after the reference "eja3628" there is <ref>{{cite book |title= A Student's Dictionary of Psychology|last=Statt |first=David A. |year=2004 |publisher=Psychology Press |location= |isbn=978-1841693422 |page=93 |pages= |url=}}</ref> and just after the reference "iwoq1719" there is <ref>{{harv|Dalzell|2008|p=1104}}</ref>. They should either be deleted entirely, or given a name and then used in the article text somewhere. The reference names only need to be quoted if they contain spaces or certain punctuation characters; the simple names can manage without quotes. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
@John of Reading: aaah! I see. I made a sloppy edit! What would I do without yooou!?épine talk♬ 21:13, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

2018 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA)[edit]

Hi everyone, in 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – UEFA Group A (as well as other groups' articles), specifically 'Discipline' section, I see this: <ref name="regulations"/>. It refers to a link which is cited not by that article itself, but by 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification ('Format' section). I tried using that reference for 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – UEFA Second Round, but it did not work ("invoked but never defined"), so I had to make a normal one (<ref>{{cite web...}}</ref>) there. Would you please explain this case and instruct me to use the 'regulations' reference? Thank you very much. Centaur271188 (talk) 07:41, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Screwy SFN error[edit]

Can someone tell me why I'm getting a harv error here but not here? The formatting is literally copied and pasted from one to the next, and it works in one but not the other. Parsecboy (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

@Parsecboy: You've run into phab:T22707 - footnotes often don't work when called from within list-defined footnotes. A quick fix is to swap the two "efn" definitions over, so that the one with the sfn is defined first - that's how fragile the software is. A longer-lasting fix would be to define the efn notes up in the text of the article where they are first used. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, John, I moved the notes up into the article and that works fine now. Much appreciated. Parsecboy (talk) 14:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2017[edit]

Change <ref> to <ref/> Haill Bennett (talk) 15:15, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:43, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2017[edit]

<My source was not defined well. Where it says "Bauman M", It should be changed to this: <My source is my own medical history, The Cleveland Clinic & The University Hospitals of Cleveland. MBau4 (I/me) was treated for Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome at the Cleveland Clinic in 2000 and at The University Hospitals from 2001 through 2004 without CHS being identified or defined as the cause at that time. All of CHS's symptoms were present including, cyclic episodes of nausea, uncontrollable vomiting & cramps fueled by massive cannabinoid consumption that were alleviated by bathing in a huge bath tub on the 4th floor and by the cessation of the consumption over a period usually taking 3 to 4 days or so. The doctors had no precedent for the condition and hypothesized that it could be nerves, or the early stages of a diabetic digestive condition called "gastroparesis". They never diagnosed it as CHS.> M Bau4 (talk) 15:09, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page Help:Cite errors. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. Winged Blades Godric 15:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 January 2018[edit]

Good day,

(but I sincerely hope there is no page with 742+ notes.. Face-surprise.svg)

With kind regards — Mar(c). 18:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Done --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks 👍 — Mar(c). 10:20, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Different language in English subpage[edit]

In the English subpage Help:Cite errors/Cite error references missing key, starting at the section "Example", it's in another language. I don't know if part of it is supposed to be in another language, but it's kind of odd. Nate 2169 (talk) 20:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

See Lorem ipsum, that's standard text for filling in textual elements.Naraht (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)